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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2008
     
    From http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4400368&page=1 via viktorschaubergergroup@yahoogroups.com:
    Mimicking the Bumps on Humpback-whale Fins Could Lead to More Efficient Wind Turbines.
    "Prototypes of wind-turbine blades have shown that the delayed stall doubles the performance of the turbines at wind speeds of about 17 miles per hour and allows the turbine to capture more energy out of lower-speed winds. For example, the turbines generate the same amount of power at 10 miles per hour that conventional turbines generate at 17 miles per hour. The tubercles effectively channel the air flow across the blades and create swirling vortices that enhance lift."
    • CommentAuthorchuckey
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2008
     
    I could not see the image of thr prototype blade.
    Frank
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      CommentAuthorJustin
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2008
     
    Interesting, but I'd be inclined to think that these things might work only over a very narrow range of speeds. It sounds more or less like the effect of leading edge turbulators which are known (and are used), to promote adhesion of a locally turbulent boundary layer and delay a stall in certain low speed airfoils and on blunt object (like golf balls).

    I don't see turbulators on sailplane wings, and for good reason. At high speed they would utterly ruin performance of a laminar flow airofoil.

    So I remain extremely doubtful. - What would the turbine do in a greater wind speed when there is far more useful energy available to recover?

    Justin
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2008 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorhowdytom
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2008
     
    very interesting link CWatters
    ta, tom
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2008
     
    "I don't see turbulators on sailplane wings"

    I do, though they're usually towards the trailing edge. The effect is to trip the laminar flow to turbulent just before it would otherwise transition to avoid (or, at least, reduce) the bubble which would form. Often they're in the form of zig-zag tape about 100 mm or so ahead of the flap or aileron hinge. They can also be a row of very small holes (1 mm ish) which blow air out - air taken for the high pressure area under the wing by the fuselage. Typically, they're used on gliders built from the early 80s onwards.
    • CommentAuthorhowdytom
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2008
     
    Justin/Ed,
    I can see their reasoning as the turbine blade is always facing the wind direction, rotating through the air and tip wash is a major energy loss/noise problem, whereas a yacht or plane actively want to be able to side-slip as the wind is never coming straight at them, unless your stopping/landing.
    tom
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    multi blade turbines are more efficient at low speeds

    www.turbex.co.za

    has the advantage in that the generator is low down and with the use of a tractor pto shaft could be multi functional ie windpump,generator,heatpump etc
    • CommentAuthorgaz69
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2008
     
    What about using a vertical axis turbine? From the information I have read they appear to operate ok and lower wind speeds
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