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  1.  
    Just received planning for two 15 kw wind turbines on 15m towers on a very windy exposed site.

    Does anyone have experience with a Proven 15kw turbine or any other make of a similar power?
  2.  
    I'm hoping to install one in the new year for a customer but as yet we've not put one in. No reason why the Proven won't be a very good turbine in the right location, although the 25 meter mast would be beneficial.

    Sorry I can't help just yet.

    Paul
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2008
     
    These folks have one. Try contacting them..
    http://www.carymoor.org.uk/index.htm
    There are several threads on this forum worth reading for background info.
    • CommentAuthorTOM W
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2008
     
    We have one. Trouble is that it's still lying on the ground due to Proven being unable to send men and equipment at the same time! It was to go up on 24th November, then on the 27th they arrived but without a winch. Rearranged for Monday, 1st, but on Sunday that changed to today. But on Tuesday it was changed to Thursday and now the snow is coming so they probally wont be here then either.
    Based on impression rather than an actual working turbine I reckon the product looks like it should do the job but everything else about Proven is needing a serious shake up. Time will tell!
  3.  
    Thanks guys
    The 6 kw Proven turbines are pretty popular, their ability to still produce a decent amount of electricity at very high wind speeds when other turbines have put the "brakes on" give's them the edge.
    The 15 kw model I'm lead to believe has been re-designed recently and re-launched, with few in production around the UK.

    Are there any other viable competitors to Proven that manufacture Micro wind turbines in Europe?
  4.  
    I have 2 x 15kw going up on Friday (fingers crossed) but electricals next week or week after.
    • CommentAuthorTOM W
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008
     
    Snow didn't come but Proven did. Turbine is up, so now we're just waiting for the wind to blow!
  5.  
    Are there any other viable competitors to Proven that manufacture Micro wind turbines in Europe?

    Yes there are a few, however the current exchange rate isn't helping the imported models much at the moment.
    Fortis ( European market leader ) make a 5 and 10kW machine that are very good and usually much better value for money than Proven, also maintenance free over the 20+ year life span......In theory!

    No decent 15kW alternatives that I'd install though. Although it goes without saying, always avoid the Chinese cheap and nasty systems.

    Paul
    • CommentAuthorDorrell
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2009
     
    There are others out there, some i would rate better than the proven, there are 11 and 20 kW rated turbines that depending on your wind speed have a better power curve than the proven. i have seen some of these and they look a more solid a system, the 11kW at 5.5 and 6.5 m/s is about the best power curve i have ever seen, remember that 3 phase or split is a must. i think it is with the proven but not sure.

    Nick
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2009
     
    Don't forget to talk to your DNO before going ahead with any plans for turbines of this size. You need their prior agreement to connect at this size.
    • CommentAuthorDorrell
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2009
     
    One of the key things to look at is what the rated kW are and at what wind speed ie. there is a 1.8 kW machine that actually max's at 2.4kW, a 5kW machine that is rated at a lower wind speed than a 6. i even saw one company rating there 6 at 18m/s. we never get this down south and if we do it is for to short a time.
    I can only recommend finding out your average wind speed then seeing where it is placed on each turbine power curve, remember that each year the wind can be +/- 20% the average, and that some manufactures use theoretical power curves and not actual.
  6.  
    2 x 15kW now up and finally safety tested for connection to the National Grid.
    Running quite well as far as I can tell, and we have had lots of people calling in to wish us well now that they are finally spinning!

    2 days later and the wires have melted on one of them in the control box (isolator) inside the building. I have put the brake on and will have to ring them again monday morning!
    Feels a bit like a string of unfortunate incidents and delays with this project.
    At least the mortgage keeps coming down!
      Windmills.jpg
    • CommentAuthorMarkK
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
     
    Iskra design and manufacture a 5kW turbine in the UK. They hold some nifty patents and it's LCBP eligible (grants).
    their UK distribution is via segen.co.uk
    • CommentAuthorDorrell
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
     
    for the larger turbines, segen do 11 and 20 kW machines.
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      CommentAuthorOlly
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
     
    Posted By: TOM WWe have one. Trouble is that it's still lying on the ground due to Proven being unable to send men and equipment at the same time!

    I didn't think Proven did installations? ...I thought they just supplied the turbines through a network of approved installers?
  7.  
    Gaia manufacture a very good 11kW wind turbine that may well out perform a 15kW Proven in low to medium wind speeds.
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Just had a look a Gaia Windturbine website. They aren't very pretty!
    • CommentAuthorDorrell
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Yes its the Gaia that has the amazing power curve. don't let looks be deceiving. it is a large turbine reduced in size, rather than a roof top turbine being made larger. for higher than 7m/s wind speeds the westwind 20 is a good machine. i know that segen sell both as i got my iskra from them and that runs really well. we have had about 50kW a day for the last week which is really good.
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      CommentAuthorAEC
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2009
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Dominic Cooney</cite>2 x 15kW now up and finally safety tested for connection to the National Grid.
    Running quite well as far as I can tell, and we have had lots of people calling in to wish us well now that they are finally spinning!

    2 days later and the wires have melted on one of them in the control box (isolator) inside the building. I have put the brake on and will have to ring them again monday morning!
    Feels a bit like a string of unfortunate incidents and delays with this project.
    At least the mortgage keeps coming down!<div class="Attachments" id="Attachments_43706" noWrap="false"><ul compact="false"><div noWrap="false"><img start="fileopen" height="443" alt="Windmills.jpg" isMap="false" hspace="0" loop="1" src="http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=526" width="591" vspace="0"></img></div></ul></div></blockquote>
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      CommentAuthorAEC
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2009
     
    Dominic,

    How did u find the room for the inverters etc.?

    Are they both working?
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2009
     
    I've only helped to design & install turbines in the 0.75 to 3 MW range. However, from these, main comment would be to make sure that the turbine is founded correctly.
  8.  
    The inverters are lined up inside the workshop on the wall - i will take a photo soon and put it on here. They are a bit of a pain because i can't push workbench etc. hard up against the wall now, but to be honest the whole studio needs rearranging and a really good tidy up (although I have been trying to do this for months now - ongoing project!)

    Both turbines operational now.
    Dodgy wiring inside the isolator box as supplied by the manufacturer - looks like it was done by an apprentice or something. The insulation on the wires was clamped in the terminals instead of just the copper, so it was making some connection but not properly and the wires overheated and melted then short circuited. Bit worrying if these are going into schools etc.

    I have started a spreadsheet with weekly meter readings, so in 12 months time I should have some reliable info for anyone that would like it. If I had more time I would take a daily reading and record the windspeed as well (met office approved weather station at the school across the road,see: http://www.moorside.staffs.sch.uk/weather/index.htm )
    I believe you can set it up for a PC to log the data but maybe that can be something for the future.
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      CommentAuthorAEC
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     
    Dominic,

    Good to hear both now working. Reason i asked questions is that I have been on the approved Proven installers course.

    I've also been in the Electricity industry all my working life. If you want to take some photo's that might be interesting.

    If you want to upload details to web, there is a facility through SMA, the Inverter manuf. web site with some more kit though.

    I'll check this out.

    Re Jon's comment. Yes foundations important. Depending on ground, the basic design might need to be increased.

    If Sally & Dorrell are about.

    Yes i've looked at one Gaia 11kW installation. Was on lattice tower but you can them on a mono pole too.
    Not impressed in how it was wired up or the thought of how easy it was to climb the tower. Different type of machine to the Proven.
    • CommentAuthorsue hawken
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     
    We installed a 15KW Proven turbine in March. All went well for a few months until it failed its 3 month check. The blades were replaced and all seemed OK until December when we were told to turn it off. As we did so we found a sheared bolt on the ground! The turbine has been turned off for 6 weeks and more pieces are falling off. Proven seem helpful enough, but noone has been to look at it. Our installers are really really unhelpful and seem powerless or unwilling to do anything.
    Does this experience ring any bells with anyone else, or are we just very unlucky?
    As it stands I would certainly not suggest that anyone puts up this turbine.:cry:
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      CommentAuthorAEC
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     
    Sue,

    I have not heard of this fault with the Proven 15. Its not good if you installer wont help either. Dont know where you are in the UK. If a though you were close by I would certainly look at it for you.

    Please keep us upto date with your problem. Sorry cant help anymore.:cry:
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     
    The company you purchase something from (not necessarily the manufacturer) has the responsibility of ensuring that it is of merchantable quality. Clearly if it falls apart after three months it isn't. This is a strong argument for buying the mill from the company that is going to install it because that way there is no dispute as to who's fault it is. Even if it's a design fault the company that sold it is ultimately responsible not the manufacturer.I believe you can ignore them if they refer you to the manufacturers warranty as that does not effect their responsibility.

    I wouldn't let someone else look at it until you have written to the supplier formally notifiying them of the problem. If you do I believe you may loose the right to reject the mill outright. If they don't come and fix it promptly write again giving them 10 days "reasonable oportunity" to rectify the defects before you do anything. It's my understand (have the CAB confirm it) that after giving the supplier reasonable oportunity to rectify a defect you could then pay someone else to take it down, send it back and go after the supplier to recover all costs. Hopefully it won't go that far but don't let it drag on without taking some action as you can be "deemed to have accepted" goods after a time. You can try an get the manufacturer to help before it goes that far but ultimately responsibility lies with the company that sold it to you or installed it depending on the nature of the problem.
  9.  
    It would appear there is a component design or manufacturing fault, and therefore Proven themselves will first have to solve the problem ( possibly time consuming itself? ) and then supply your installer with improved components to remedy the problem. No point re-fitting a part which is clearly not fit for purpose and will in time fail itself.

    Hopefully the Installer is chasing Proven to get these parts asap, a £40k + investment doing nothing must be really frustrating! However as an installer myself I can appreciate what an awkward situation it must be for your installer if the manufacturer isn't prompt in providing him with the improved components.

    Paul
  10.  
    As promised here are some pics. Any questions please ask.
      Windys setup.jpg
    • CommentAuthorvalasay
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2009 edited
     
    I'm planning to buy a 20kw wind turbine and wondered if anyone has any experience of a Westwind turbine. My biggest concern is that we live in a windy location and whilst most times I'll be glad to watch the meter whizzing round, on particularly windy days I will be concerned about it's survival. At times the wind speed has reached in excess of 100 miles per hour and 4 years ago reached 130 miles.
  11.  
    The Proven will survive those speeds but i don't know anything about Westwind.
   
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