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Politics: Are you going to vote green tomorrow

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    Go on give them a go on the gravy train

    :shocked:
    • CommentAuthortrule
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2009 edited
     
    The Liberal Democrats seem to have thought things through a bit more, IMO a better protest vote as they are more likely to win.
    • CommentAuthorsquowse
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2009 edited
     
    yes, although i did consider the libdems for the same reasons as above - there are 8 candidates for all parties so am i right in thinking that 12.5% of the vote would get one MEP elected?
    • CommentAuthorJulian
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2009
     
    We're in a safe Tory seat for just about everything except the county council (LDem). For what it's worth I'll be voting Green tomorrow.
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    I don't think there's any such thing as a safe seat anymore
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    I'm going to vote green because they aim in a direction I'd like society to travel

    I think the european election is a good place to vote for your ideals rather than tactically

    it's an expression of hope for the future
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      CommentAuthoragu
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2009
     
    I'm voting green and would implore anybody else who is thinking about it to do it.
    • CommentAuthordickster
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2009
     
    I vote green whoever the green candidate might be. Simple reason, the others might just see a rising number of green votes and change their policies a bit at a time to get my vote. It might just have some sort of effect in the long term?
    • CommentAuthorJulian
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2009
     
    Interesting point Mike about there no longer being safe seats. A recent poll showed Tories well out in front so I think there is still a rump of support for the three main parties. When I say safe I mean the majority last general election was in the tens of thousands with the non Tory vote some way less even when all added together. If this is no longer a safe seat for them it would mark a seismic shift in politics the like of which I have never seen. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

    Dickster I think it's already working that way. I'll be joining you.
    • CommentAuthorsinnerboy
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2009 edited
     
    Here ( Dublin ) we have Greens in Govt . They are the junior partners in coalition . They are the only good part of an awful govt .

    There are interesting parallels . We too have a PM who was Finance Minister during boom time and "never saw the downturn coming" . Fianna Fail ( the party who have been in power most since 1922 and the current senior govt party) are polling at historic lows .

    In Ireland we have PR not 1st-past-post . The effect tends towards that if a party gets say 10% of votes - it more or less translates into an actual 10% reprsenation in the elected chamber ( local authority / govt ) .

    Happily despite experiencing in 7 years a level of immigration that other countries experienced spread out over decades - we have yet to see an Irish BNP emerge . In 2006 1 in 10 of the Irish workforce was not from Ireland .
    Many have returned ( mainly Poland /Latvia/ Lituania / Estonia ) but most have stayed and are part of our Irish family now today .

    I will vote green for the Dublin MEP slot . Locally - we have an excellent non party counsillor I would like to retain but I will give 2nd pref* to the greens ( *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote )
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    We have green councillors already, so will be voting to ensure it stays that way. (She also happens to be a pretty good councillor too!)

    J


    PS
    Well it appears it was only Euros after all! Still did the decent thing though. Isn't voting great?!
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    Is anyone else standing as a Green Party candidate like me?



    Posted By: dicksterI vote green whoever the green candidate might be. Simple reason, the others might just see a rising number of green votes and change their policies a bit at a time to get my vote. It might just have some sort of effect in the long term?


    for this very reason I have put myself forward, so that as the number of green votes rises each year whoever is the successful candidate gets the message about the policies that are important to people.

    Of course, if I actually win, I will have to find time to be a County Councillor!
    which reminds me... I must get that moat cleaned out and install a floating duck house...
    • CommentAuthorsinnerboy
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2009
     
    Good for you Dominic - best of luck . Which council ?
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      CommentAuthorDAI_EVANS
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2009
     
    I've voted Green, I didn't realise there was 11 parties in the running :confused: I also didn't realise south yorkshire was only voting Euro and not locally.

    I think I need to start paying more attention to whats going on... but I felt my intelligence was insulted when I received a Lib Dem flyer through the post designed to look like a personal letter to myself from the local Lib Dem candidate. Who apparently come to my door and spoken to me...don't remember that!

    Did anyone else notice the ridiculous amount of party rubbish shoved through their letter box this year? I've got piles of stuff from labour, cons and libdems....So wheres my recylcing bin for all this junk?
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    Lib Dems in Sheffield are notorious for sending huge numbers of ex trees through the post...
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    Staffordshire County Council. I got 335 votes (8% of the vote) with no canvassing or junk mail, which was not far off Labour and Lib Dem (had leaflets from both). Unfortunately the Tories got 1,348 votes and even they were pipped by the sitting independent with 1,369.
    Looks like I will have to put in a lot more effort next to time if I want to win. Maybe the District Council in a couple of years time...
    Hopefully giving people the choice to vote green will have encouraged them to vote green in the European vote.
    • CommentAuthorJulian
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2009
     
    Well done Dominic. I would feel well pleased with that. If I were bit nearer to you I'd come and give you a day's canvassing next time!
    Julian
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2009 edited
     
    so the southeast and london vote in 2 green MEP so far
    8.5% of vote nationally , up 2.5% more than any single party

    any thoughts on why these regions
    also looking at ceefax/bbc online , plenty of stuff on BNP (2seats , 6.7%) none on green
    • CommentAuthorsinnerboy
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2009
     
    Sadly - the greens took a pasting in Ireland - they are Jr partner in Govt coalition. Job losses , pay cuts and tax rises resulted in a "plague on all your houses" reaction here .

    http://www.rte.ie/news/elections/
    • CommentAuthorJulian
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2009
     
    james - I think (perhaps cynically) that BNP stories are more "newsy" - a bit more ooh aah. Green successes - for a lot of liberal media people - are perhaps not quite as exciting. I also noticed slightly more reaction to BNP results than those of Green Party.
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    In the south west of France the European Greens under Jose Bove didnt too badly and got around 15 percent of the total vote.

    The National Front managed roughly 10 percent

    the only down side to the european greens is that they are calling for a "united states of europe" where each country would become a federal state under the overall control of a European "whitehouse" and president in Brussels. Just one more step in the direction of a world governement.... :(
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    Julian, nothing cyncial about the truth , the news medias unrepresentative coverage in this situation
    will give a unfair propaganda advantage to the BNP.
    so much for the liberal media and the BBC
    I often think the liberal and lefts actions in some cases just give fuel to the BNP and other such petty selfish types

    I notice ITN give a more balanced spread online
    • CommentAuthorSimonH
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2009 edited
     
    Well done Dominic. I'm not up for standing as a councillor - found I can achieve my objectives better by lobbying and not have repsonsibilty and commitment. (For now anyway).

    RE: The election I was absolutely fed up to death of the media saying "Well everyone is going to vote BNP" as if it was the only way to protest. Why weren't they saying well everyone is going to vote Green to protest. It was constant free advertising for the BNP. Which lead to BNP getting as much as the vote as greens. Imagine the difference if the Beeb et al had given the green party more of a mention!

    PS I voted green in both votes. A lot of negativity about them at work with comments like "They don't have any sensible economic policies". To which my answer is "what like the labour government does? Look were that got them. And besides have you read the manifesto? It's not a fag packet promise but a wordy tome.

    My personal thoughts are that we should have PR - even if the BNP gets seats in parliamnet it means people can elect prople they feel represent them. In my case that would be green.

    I'm not expecting the green party to rule the country, but to have a few dozen MPs to table motions and cause trouble on getting votes through on things like CCS coal plants, or huge tidal barrages. And get more support for things like electric vehicle techonolgy and getting the birmingham cross city rail line to work faster than going by car (in a congested city no less!??).If they had just 8% of the seats in parliamnt I'd be a happy man.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010 edited
     
    OK not Tomorrow , but thought it might be worth bringing it up again

    If it's between labour and the tories , whos offering the best green building solutions
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010
     
    I didn't see the debate but judging by the headlines, shouldn't dismiss the Libs' influence. What about them too?
    • CommentAuthorTuna
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010 edited
     
    Right now, I'd just like one party to acknowledge how much trouble we're in and suggest a realist plan for sorting it out. Promising us whatever it is that the party ideology regards as a 'good thing' is like bribing kids with sweets. The debate this week was really without substance - we're voting for a party manifesto, not some idiot presidential figure who acts well on television.

    Whoever gets in (or if it's a hung parliament), the painful dawning of realisation is going to make the second half of this year pretty nasty.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010
     
    Posted By: Tunathe painful dawning of realisation is going to make the second half of this year pretty nasty
    I can't wait!Get ready!
    • CommentAuthorsinnerboy
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010
     
    The one fortuitous aspect of our crisis here in Ireland is that it has struck in mid term of the govt 5 year term of parliament . So without the spectre of elections looming we are getting the "tough decisions" . Tax hikes and govt spending cuts coupled with the reaction of public sector union industrial action . Even back in May 07 when the General Election was held the economic writing was on the wall .

    And was denied and minimized by ALL parties . Until after the election .

    Sorry to say this my UK chums . The truth will emerge after your election I fear .
    • CommentAuthorTuna
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010
     
    Posted By: fostertom
    Posted By: Tunathe painful dawning of realisation is going to make the second half of this year pretty nasty
    I can't wait!Get ready!


    I really wouldn't say that. It's the average bloke on the street and the most weak in our society who are going to hurt the most. This isn't going to be some idealistic shakedown of over-rich bankers and the powers that be - this is going to be job cuts and money woes and strikes and poor services. Not earth shattering, nor game changing. Just painful.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2010
     
    I still say - let's get on with it. If it was in my power (it's not) to agitate to keep the average bloke in work, should that be my focus? What we're doing on GBF is so important, so on the right track, so open to anyone who wants to join in, so powerful and refreshing compared to going round the same old election-issues loop. We each create how the world seems around us, by what we focus on. There's 56 million different realities out there, none of them more than half-factual. Choose your reality well, and it rubs off on everyone.

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