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    • CommentAuthorstones
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2012
     
    I have not been able to find the answer to the following question. Hope someone more knowledgable than I can answer.

    SAP calculations provide a design heat loss - what I need to establish is the ambient temperature used for this figure, i.e. at 'x' degrees centigrade outside, you need to add 'y' kw (design heat loss) to maintain the adjusted tempeatrue of 18.5 degrees inside.

    Can anyone enlighten me as to the 'x' figure - my understanding was that this was -8 degrees?

    Many thanks in anticipation
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2012
     
    How about using HDD (heating degree days)?
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2012
     
    You can pick any winter design temperature that suits the location. -8 would be a little silly for me down in Kent, but not for someone up in Scotland I'd imagine. The total output of your heating system has to be your whole house heat loss coefficient x your temperature delta.

    Whether you use -8, -5 or some other number isn't going to make a big difference to the number you get, unless you have a very energy hungry house.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2012
     
    stones,

    What was the coldest recorded temp round your way at the end of 2010? Use that as a guideline....?
    I think you need to look at box 37, and multiply it by degrees difference between inside and outside.

    That gives you the heating load for those temps.

    Cheers...:smile:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2012
     
    I was looking at some heat pump literature and I read somewhere that the MCS say that the it must supply all the heat load 99% of the time. In other words you can exclude the coldest 1% or about 3 1/2 days each year. This, down here anyway, makes quite a difference, as does using modal temperatures, the real way to work out what is happening, rather than mean temperatures.
    So all you need to do is do a Probability Density Function on your temperatures, convert to a percentage, exclude the bottom 1% and then see that where your starting point is.

    So from the chart below (somewhere in Scotland), you can see that the lowest 1% is at -4°C, so you can do your calculation from -3°C.
      Temperature PDF.jpg
    • CommentAuthorstones
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2012
     
    Thanks guys, much appreciated - clarified what I needed clarifying.

    Just as a matter of interest DarylP, the coldest recorded temp at the end of 2010 was 5 miles away (Meigle, Perthshire) at -19 C, but that would I think, fall into the 1% referred to by ST.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2012 edited
     
    Stones :bigsmile::bigsmile:

    If you think that -19 will be the 'norm' for your heating season, then size the system accordingly. Personally, where I come from the coldest one winter was -30 (RAF Shawbury I think?), but I would not recommend anyone using that datum for sizing their systems... :wink:

    No one knows for sure what the winter temps will be in the next 25-30 years, so take a view and keep your fingers crossed that you were in the right ball park.
    I tell our clients to use -3 external to 21 internal for sizing their systems.

    Cheers :smile:
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2012
     
    Darylp,

    I remember that winter well, I too lived near shawbury at the time and can remember seeing what looked like ice crystals hanging in the air, the air seemed to twinkle in the sunlight.
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