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    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    Can any of you knowledgeable folk explain to me why a curved timber staircase is between 10 to 20 times more expensive than a right angle one with a winder. Cheapest quote so far £12k up to £28k and a standard one £1500.

    We have also only specified one curved string with the other string running along the wall and turning 90 degrees, so I thought it would be a bit more affordable.

    My other half has set her heart on getting a curved staircase, so any suggestions for sourcing would be much appreciated.

    Thanks
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    try pearstairs.co.uk they always do mine very good quality have a look at their website.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012 edited
     
    Get a pair of small I-beams or C-channels rolled into say quarter-turn helicals by Angle-Ring co., weld on top and bottom plates to fix them to something v solid, then bolt triangular wood blocks on top, fix tapered timber treads on top of them, ends cantilevering outboard say 175mm, and steel balluster uprights with threaded ends bolted thro the tread ends, maybe steel round bar handrail (lashed with cord?) bent and welded in situ to their tops. It's a stair built on the trad paired-bearer undercarriage principle, rather than the modern between-strings principle.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    This is one of those piece-of-string questions which very much depends on who you go to.

    The bugger is the handrail and stringer on the curved side because it depends how it's made. The stringer is no real problem and nor is the handrail as long as you can accept the compromise of having it made by laminating the section, although all that does is eliminate the fiddly bit involved in forming it from the solid.

    Be prepared to at least consider a fabricated section rather than a solid. Until I retired and closed the workshop I used to keep a 2 metre section to show potential customers who would otherwise have rejected the idea out of hand. As it happened I only had to use the technique once, although I did show the section to at least three other customers who eventually went for a winder set-up because of the cost - although other quotes they'd had from companies making the handrail out of the solid were stratospherical compared to mine - and they all agreed that the "look" was not only perfectly natural but actually "more interesting", an expression I didn't push them to explain!

    In the US you can buy the sections to laminate the handrail already machined, but I was never able to source the stuff here in the UK, even having asked many of the US suppliers if they'd ship to the UK or knew of any distributors over here.

    The prices you've been quoted are of the scale I'd associate with conservation work involving a lot of hand work on site, although a lot of factory-based stair manufacturers see the potential for attaching a premium to the kind of "quality" job implied by a curved staircase, despite much of their work being done with CADCAM.

    I don't know why we make such a big deal over this kind of job over here, in the States it's bread-and-butter work and a friend I made via the US Woodweb forum turns out CNC-machined curved staircases as a matter of routine.

    I went onto the Woodweb forum to find a reference to curved handrails and you'll see here that laminating the section is bread-and-butter stuff to them...

    http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Allowing_for_Springback_in_Laminated_Railings.html

    If you go to a traditional joinery shop who forms the rail from the solid (or even the laminated, which is formed along the curved stringer) then he/she will be working it all out thus...

    http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Helical_Handrail_Math_for_Spiral_Stairs.html

    One thing, however the curved rail section is formed, it still has to be machined to have a profile formed on it. I can tell you that that's when your heart is in your mouth. The wise joiner locks the workshop door and turns the phone off.

    Don't know whether Biff could do it for you?
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012 edited
     
    Ah, found it! A while back there was a discussion about staircases on here and I've managed to dredge up the name of one of the companies mentioned...

    http://www.polishstairs.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=30

    (Actually, just done a search and they didn't come up, so it must have been on ebuild.)
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    Just edited my post above to include a handrail suggestion of self-generating geometry.
    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    Thanks for all the comments guys, particularly Joiner.

    The £12k quote was from polishstairs
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    I had a very good quote from Pearstairs but you measure yourself. As the quote was very similar to a good local joiner I went with him. At least if an error occured I had a door to knock on. Pearstairs did seem very good though and I know of people that have used them with no complications.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012 edited
     
    Pugliese, give us a bit more info on yr staircase - quarter-, half-turn or full 'spiral'? Open tread or with risers and winding soffit? What plan radius to the inner string? What min tread width outboard of that - presumably v wide where they reach into the square corner(s) of the stairwell? Sounds lovely and spacious - able to put a little chair or something on the tread in the corner. As described, I can't see it makes best sense as a between-strings design. OK maybe at the wall face but surely some undercarriage arrangement at the clear well end?
    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012 edited
     
    Hi FT

    The hall is quite a small area. Here is a suggested design from one of the expensive joiners that gives the shape and measurements of the hall.

    I would add that we do not want the stairs to end in front of the door (I don't think the suggested design meets buiding regs that require a landing of 400mm) but for it to face more into the house.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    how about
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    or
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    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     
    Thanks ST - both designs are what we like but alas they are the ones starting at £14k. I think we will need to go for a winder set up if we are not to blow the budget. However I will talk to Pear stairs first as they have some good ideas on their website
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 10th 2012
     
    ST? Oi!
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    ST Foertom. Surely you know it's anagram week?
    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeMay 10th 2012
     
    Oops sorry FT, its all this hectic pace of life - I am currently in my brothers house overlooking the Cromarty Sutors - quite idyllic - but clearly it has made my brain very sleepy
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