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Hi - Im looking for suggestions and reccomendations for a wood or wood/solid fuel 18 kw (ish) boiler. Im not looking for lots of clever switches/settings etc, just a real standard mechanical boiler that doesnt need an electrical connection to work and simply fires up and heats water into a gravity fed open vented system.
We have a a 10 year old British gas 330 18kw gas boiler currently installd which feeds into a 250 litre Newark Thermal store (housed rather tightly in the bathroom cupboard) hooked up to 30 x 58m Navitron EV tubes and the house has been insulated with a Diamond Bonded Thermabead and 250mm of loft insulation etc.
So the plan is to plumb the boiler in and also fit a small buffer tank beside it in the integral garage and then retire the gas boiler to "top up" functionality in both summer months to the thermal tubes, and also in winter as "top up" to the new wood boilers daily burn cycle.
Im definitely not looking for "oversized solutions" as multiple suppliers have tried to sell me so far - I dont need a 30kw+ log gasification boiler with X many thousands litres of accumulator tank - costing more than my whole Solar thermal install costed!!
We have a decent system working in the house right now and im looking to add to it as part of "almost" retiring the mains gas boiler, or not, as we choose to.
the house is built on hill side and basically a bungallow upsatairs comprising 120sq m (3 beds, kitchen, dining, lounge and bathroom with thermal store in) and 50 sq m downstairs (2 spare beds 1 bathroom),all rooms with radiator central heating and double glazing throughout.
There is an integral garage also below the main living area which is where the gas boiler is located and where we would place the new boiler too and its buffer tank.
Any thoughts, suggestions and and reccomendatins will be most welcome - even if they shatter my planned upgrade....
Yes I always fancied that stove, its always had great reviews. But our lounge is on the 1st floor above the integral garage, and as such on floorboards - and not entirely comfortable witht he weight issue of the stove and "constructing" an ok hearth etc let alont fire proofing the wall etc. Plus the thermal store is on the same level just down the hall.
HI Peter - just to declare that I work for installers - we are independent but do have dealings with the companies I am going to mention. However, I am only posting to be helpful and won't profit from anything I mention!
The first boiler I know of is the Perge - a French boiler and they have a 20kW version. It doesn't need electricity to run. I know that Stoves on Line stock them but you may find them elsewhere in this country. I don't work on the technical side so you would have to check whether the boiler would be suitable for your situation. If you search for "perge" on this website you will find some discussions.
The other company you could approach is Eco Angus - I believe they have a model which doesn't need electricity but a quick look at their website and I can't spot it....so don't know what output it is....
Are Perge MCS accredited? I was looking at having one installed for a client 2 or 3 years ago and they weren't then - we were looking at a 20kW-ish pellet/chip model.
Presumably you're on mains gas. If so the best thing to do would be to keep your gas boiler, or replace it if it's very old and inefficient.
Gas is by far the cleanest generally available fuel (as well as the cheapest). A good gasifying boiler is fairly clean if burning dry wood and operating into an adequately sized store, once it's got going. If you don't have a big store then the likelihood is that the boiler will spend a lot of time partly shut down. That will give a dirty burn.
If you don't have your own wood supply then it's going to be expensive to run. If the wood supply isn't sourced from properly managed woodland then it's not renewable either.
Add insulation if you want to reduce your energy bills and reduce fuel use.
Hi NickiB - top stuff. just checked out the Perge MC 5-20CI and that looks just perfect for the need. Have checked out the Eco Angus EVO 17kw which also looks good too, but I think the perge edges it.
billt - I take on board all you point out. Yes were on mains gas (just) and yes our boiler is getting old and will need relpacing or have its workload reduced. We live in the peak district area and the electricity supply is vulnerable - we do get grid outages due to weather/wind/snow/ice and occasional DIY mishaps ;-) which tend to occur in winter months and being unable to get your boiler going for lack of electricity supply is maddening and when winter comes it can be quite severe here. In time I will sort out some kind of battery back up to the grid tie system we have but the SMA Sunny Back set S costs £5k without the batteries!!!! Anyway we dont grow our own wood supply but there is alot of wood supply in the area/region as its quite a business around here and prices are not too bad - when compared to buying in from "kiln dried suppliers"
There are alternatives to the SMA kit becoming available later this year such as the Nedap PowerRouter (August, according to the project's head honcho) plus others. That should start to put the screws on pricing.
Posted By: PeterC........... In time I will sort out some kind of battery back up to the grid tie system we have but the SMA Sunny Back set S costs £5k without the batteries!!!!
With occasional similar power cuts; for my back up, I simply placed all my critical boiler and CH functions plus one or two others on a separate consumer unit off the main board. With a change over switch to an externally mounted socket and a small wheeled genny, it's cheaper than the battery back up.
That sound like a top idea - I wonder if there's anyway you can divert Solar PV feed "safely" to provide power to the "emergency" consumer unit. I know thats playing wiht fire (literally) but there must be a way an bonfide electrician could rig something up.
I suppose alternatively you could simply hoist a couple of panels up to supply this circuit only... although you'd still need all sorts of extra kit to achive the correcy voltage.... hmmm I can feel a small off grid 24v ring being set up in the garage...?
Hi NickiB - well I just found the price of the Perge... being sold on Stoves online for £4026...! wow. thats compared to under £1000 for the Eco Angus EVO 17kw.... ok efficiency and some build quality will be better for the Perge.... but yet again .... it would seem that whatever Eco-tech you "wish" to buy into these days everynoe wants to charge you £5k - £7k per item
Solar thermal... oh £5k. Solar PV oh that'l cost you £7k, SMA back up s £5k, Log boiler and tank oh ££6k, Small wind turbine,stand and associated kit,... £5k...
There's some fat wedge being made here people.... and it means Im going to have to look at making my own solutions....
You should be able to do better than that Peter, I fitted my own 30 tube array, plus pump station, plus 180l SS cylinder for under £2500. With you living in a bungalow, installation should be easy. If you can come to some arrangement with a local MCS installer for you to do all the tedious things like pipe runs etc. and then get them to commission and sign it off you may still be able to qualify for the £300 grant to offset your costs. ( if the scheme is still running.)