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    • CommentAuthorTwoLegged
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2012
     
    I am buying an old mobile home (MH) to live in while I move towards a self-build/renovation project. The MH is not pretty, but it's dry and cheap ... so it will do me fine if I can keep it warm.

    I have plenty of firewood onsite, so a woodstove seems like the best route. However, deciding which woodstove has not been so easy. I reckon that many other green builders must have been down this route, so thought I would ask here for advice.

    I have considered various types of range cooker, but rejected that idea on grounds of weight and cost. So I have decided to use the existing gas cooker for oven and grill, and extra occasional pot space ... but to get a small upright woodstove for heat, and for some sort of cooking. (At least enough heat to boil a leisurely kettle, preferably enough to cook my spuds, and ideal enough to do a bit of frying).

    I have been looking online at all sorts of small stoves, and so far what I have concluded is that:

    1. A pot-bellied stove would be cheap, but lots of them are dodgy quality Chinese and hence dangerous. Small fireboxes mean that they are unlikely to keep me warm overnight.
    2. A multi-fuel stove will be less efficient for wood, so I want a pure wood-burner. Ideally with some provision for secondary burning
    3. The stoves designed for houses are mostly pretty, and quite highly-specced. Cast iron frames for heat retention, glass doors, etc ... all very nice, but adds to the cost. This stove just needs to do me for 1 or 2 years, and can then be reused as a shed heater. It needs to be functional, not pretty.
    4. Some house stoves are quite heavy. Mobile homes are flimsy, so a lighter stove is good.
    5. I'd prefer a stove which is deep to one which is wide, so that I can fit longer logs. Less chopping.
    6. Must have a flat top for cooking on, preferably with pan supports extending out beyond the edges of the box

    All of that points me towards a stove made from heavy-duty mild steel: light, cheap, functional, and should be reasonably durable. I have looked at the stoves from http://www.windysmithy.co.uk/html/woodburners.htm and http://snailstoves.moonfruit.com/ , and both look OK in theory.

    Has anybody an experience of these stoves? The blurb sounds good, but I would be interested to hear how anyone has found actually living with them.

    Also, I'd be interested in any comments or critiques on my wider logic. One issue I haven't resolved is water heating. I had considered getting a stove with a backboiler to allow for water heating, but then I'd need a cylinder to store the hot water, and I'm not sure that the cost and hassle of setting that up is justifiable.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2012
     
    Have you got electricity there, and what size supply if you have?
  1.  
    Have a look at narrowboat chandlers for small stoves, including cook-on-top ones. Too long since I had a boat, but Midland Chandlers was one, if they are still about, and one in Penkridge, Staffs
    • CommentAuthorTwoLegged
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2012
     
    Thanks for the replies.

    Nick, I looked at the narrowboat stoves at http://www.midlandchandlers.co.uk/Products/Heating/SolidFuelStovesRanges/Stoves.aspx , but they are all seem to be multifuel stoves rather than dedicated woodburners, and they start at twice the price of the blacksmith stoves from Windysmithy or Snail. What advantages do you think these more expensive stoves would offer for my needs?

    SteamyTea, I currently have a 900Watt generator. I hope to soon get a 3KW mains supply
  2.  
    Sorry, I didn't look at the Windy Smithy link. I just suggested narrowboat chandlers as potential suppliers of lots of small stoves.
  3.  
    Think my neighbour might have a dinky little stove second-hand. Not seen it. He bought it on e-bay for his shed. Shall I ask?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: TwoLeggedI currently have a 900Watt generator. I hope to soon get a 3KW mains supply

    CHP maybe

    a 3kW temporary supply could do everything you need cheaply I would think
    • CommentAuthorTwoLegged
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2012
     
    Nick, thanks for the offer, but I think I'll avoid Ebay stoves. Too many of them are of unknown provenance.

    SteamyTea, I don't want to pay for electric heat. I have firewood ready, and a quick calculation tells me that the electricity bill for even one winter's heat would be a lot more than a stove. (Assume that in autumn/winter I need heat for 10 hours a day, because a MH has poor insulation. 6 months is about 180 days, which is 1800 hours. At 18 about 18 cents per unit, this works out at €324 for one winter ... which is more about the cost of a stove.

    I had really been hoping that per my original post, somebody might be able to comment on the suitability of the stoves I had found ...
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2012
     
    Not sure where you are, but in Germany, I think that wood burners are not allowed in mobile homes, certainly not allowed in camper vans.
    • CommentAuthorHenry Sears
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2012 edited
     
    If you're thinking of having a wood burner in your new house, why not buy a decent one now, then it can just be moved when the time comes? The most efficient stoves on the market are Burley, made in England, and not a bad price. If you're worried about the weight, just reinforce the floor where the stove is going to be with some piles of concrete blocks and lengths of timber.
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2012
     
    Jotul 602 any day of the week..
    suits your spec, two on fleabay now...
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2012
     
    If you just want a "disposable" cheap stove that will be OK for two or three years, made from recycled stuff, then you could do worse than investigate the DIY gas bottle wood stoves. A friend made one for his workshop, works a treat. Not elegant, but certainly cheap and effective. There was a chap on ebay selling ready made (or made to order, I think) versions of these if you don't fancy cutting and welding up an old gas bottle.....................
    • CommentAuthorTimber
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2012
     
    Gas bottle wood burners can be great if designed and made correctly. My water heating gas bottle wood burner works really well!
    • CommentAuthorcrusoe
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2012 edited
     
    Oh I don't know Finny, the 600 was dinkier and more 'mobile' - while the Ulefos and Trolla were more characterful - think Billy Goats Gruff, trolls and bridges....

    Gas bottles....hope the gas has well left. Never seen one of these but am imagining 44 gall drum WB in miniature?

    Twolegged: Don't burn the stove overnight unless you want a very warm experience a k a chimney fire. Older stoves like te type you describe - and which I have no personal experience of - are likely to be non cleanburn and hence tarry for the chimney, esp if burnt slowly. Tar, as you may know, is flammable... Instead, keep kindling and re-light daily. Good for the soul, lighting fires.

    From a fellow pyromaniac.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2012
     
    Cough, cough, cough. :wink:
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