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- CommentAuthorwilde68
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Has anyone got the details of the guys who built the ply box house on Wednesday 19th September Grand Design programme.
What did people think of it? Also anyone know of the screw foundations used?
Seem not to be able to find it on the web??
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- CommentAuthorTimber
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Google for Faceit.
I like the wall systems, but didn't like the flat roof one bit, I am afraid. -
- CommentAuthorwilde68
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Timber,
Tried google... no go on the Faceit word??
GRP roofs are a real problem, see loads with conde -
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CommentAuthorted
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
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- CommentAuthorwilde68
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Thanks ted, must be the hangover. -
- CommentAuthortony
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Lester, please tell us more about the cond that you have seen please -
- CommentAuthorfinny
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
I liked the concept..hope they develop it further..not a fan of warmcell tho
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- CommentAuthorPaulJ
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
I am surprised they got a warranty as I don't think any of the providers give cover for helical screw piles. I didn't think LA building control did either? -
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CommentAuthorSteamyTea
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Hope the house is better than the website. -
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CommentAuthorjoe90
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
I think the concept was beautifull, but I too dont like flat roofs per se. finny, what dont you like about warmcell? -
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- CommentAuthortony
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
It had problems settling, leaving voids at the top, -
- CommentAuthorCav8andrew
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Finny, As per joe90, can I ask why you are not a fan of Warmcell. Watching the program has made me consider the possibility of using it as the external insulation on our masonry walls. Just a germ of an idea at the moment but would be interested in possible pitfalls. Having said that we are already committed to using it in the roof. -
- CommentAuthorCav8andrew
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Thought settlement issues were now reasonably well resolved. The company we are intending to use seem able to pump at densities that should avoid this. -
- CommentAuthordavidfreeborough
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012 edited
Posted By: Cav8andrewFinny, As per joe90, can I ask why you are not a fan of Warmcell. Watching the program has made me consider the possibility of using it as the external insulation on our masonry walls. Just a germ of an idea at the moment but would be interested in possible pitfalls.
Its not approved for use in masonry cavity walls. Are you thinking about a Larsen truss arrangement enclosing Warmcel on the outer face of the masonry wall? If so, then you'll need a rainscreen, ventilated cavity & breather membrane to keep it dry, but this is pretty standard for timber frame walls.
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CommentAuthorjoe90
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: tony</cite>It had problems settling, leaving voids at the top,</blockquote>
Tony, do you mean it had problems but they are now solved?. Fostertom on another thread has been extolling the virtues of warmcell, I believe from reading many threads that if you have either spray damp warmcell into open cavities then board up on the inside the insulation stays "stiff" or the boxes you fill with dry warmcell are small so "slump" does not occur. -
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- CommentAuthortony
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
I cant see how the problem could be solved apart from wet spraying with glue, gravity is with us for ever. -
- CommentAuthorCav8andrew
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Hi David, you have described perfectly my thoughts/proposal, yes external to masonry with sheathing and rainscreen . Have been going along the EPS route but the program just made me consider the possibility, would be interesting to cost as an option. -
- CommentAuthortony
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
I would never dream of using an organic type insulation product for EWI fail disaster instead of eps for example fail safe -
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CommentAuthorSteamyTea
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
I am with Tony on this one, anything that can rot is not a good idea. Insulation should be kept dry at all times, just asking for trouble otherwise.
Is there a link to the GD, I still don't have a telly. -
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- CommentAuthorfinny
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Couldn't find the term, Tony has it..fail disaster. Doesn't matter how well you build and maintain something..somewhere down the line something is gonna get wet. Warmcell+water=paper mache
For me, along with load bearing strawbale, it goes in the "WOW, amazing, but no thanks" category -
- CommentAuthorCav8andrew
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Not sure how the rainscreen I am proposing would/could fail (I have not fully described the buildup here) but I suspect I will probably keep with the EPS. I do also have a bit of previous with warmcell and water, in our previous property, a top floor flat, the 250mm deep floors had been soundproofed using warmcell. Unbeknown to any of us an internal down pipe had been saturating the ceiling void. Awoke in the early hours of the morning to a dull thud and a pressure wave, akin to (I imagine) a large explosion close at hand. Rapidly followed by a phone call from a bemused downstairs neighbour, who's spare bedroom ceiling had collapsed taking all the insulation with it, upon hitting the floor the dry warmcell redistributed itself on every surface. Luckily the room was unoccupied and there were no injuries. -
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CommentAuthorSteamyTea
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
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CommentAuthorted
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012 edited
@Steamy - it is GD Series 7 Episode 4 if this link doesn't work http://www.channel4.com/programmes/grand-designs/4od#3414075 -
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- CommentAuthorEd Davies
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Posted By: SteamyTeaHope the house is better than the website.
Yep, gave up bothering to try to read that. Tells you an awful lot about architects that their web sites are almost always awkward and irritating to use and uninformative. -
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CommentAuthorSteamyTea
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012 edited
Posted By: Ed DaviesTells you an awful lot about architects that their web sites are almost always awkward and irritating to use and uninformative.
Yep, case of 'it sounds like English, but makes no sense at all' -
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CommentAuthorSteamyTea
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
So having watched it now, how are the floors held up? Are they interlocked with the walls on an inner surface or resting on the top of the walls? -
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CommentAuthorfostertom
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Posted By: PaulJI don't think any of the providers give cover for helical screw piles
I never knew that. What's wrong wiv em? If calc'd by Engineer? -
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CommentAuthorfostertom
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012 edited
Posted By: joe90
Posted By: tonyIt had problems settling, leaving voids at the top,
Tony, do you mean it had problems but they are now solved?. Fostertom on another thread has been extolling the virtues of warmcell, I believe from reading many threads that if you have either spray damp warmcell into open cavities then board up on the inside the insulation stays "stiff" or the boxes you fill with dry warmcell are small so "slump" does not occur.Posted By: tonyI cant see how the problem could be solved apart from wet spraying with glue, gravity is with us for ever.
It's really simple - just give the Warmcel something to catch onto at regular intervals vertically - could be horizontal cross-battening, or as we're currently doing, weaving galv garden wire thro the studwork. -
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CommentAuthorfostertom
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
Posted By: tonyI would never dream of using an organic type insulation product for EWI fail disaster instead of eps for example fail safe
What about wood fibre used extensively and problem-free on the Continent? And cork? -
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- CommentAuthorCav8andrew
- CommentTimeSep 23rd 2012
ST, from memory, I thought the top panel of the floor module was over sized creating a lip which sat on the I beam as each module was dropped into place. A bit like beam and block.
