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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 18:00:44 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Has joist removal affected structural integrity?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:08:25 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Nick Parsons</author>
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			<![CDATA[Sorry for no pic here, but the best I could do is a hand-drawn sketch and the files always come out too big.<br /><br />Typical 2-storey Victorian offshot with kitchen to GF and bathr to FF. Approx 2.4 wide x 3m long. Monopitch roof falling across the 2.4m dimension. Built with roof void and suspended ceiling.<br /><br />I did a survey a few years ago, and the client, having done some work themselves, has asked me to price for IWI and vaulted ceiling underdrawing to the bathroom. In order to get the full vaulted effect they have cut out all the ceiling joists......<br /><br />I think the first thing they need is a structural engineer. What do you think?<br /><br />I have not visited yet, and don't know whether the roof is original weight or heavier, but I think the joists were almost certainly acting as collars preventing spread.<br /><br />My gut feeling says if they *must* have 'the vaulted look', they should consider a spreader plate on each wall at the former susp ceiling height, and one or more 'decorative' (discuss!) stainless tie-bars, to make it look as if they meant it to look like that.]]>
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		<title>New thermal mass study backs timber frame construction</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 10:04:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[http://www.trada.co.uk/news/view/6D20E095-0978-41BA-9575-848A371219BF/New_thermal_mass_study_backs_timber_frame_construction?intDispatchID=4450355]]>
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		<title>IKEA LED GU10s or alternative</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 12:31:14 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>ferdinand2000</author>
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			<![CDATA[I'm trying to get a grip on my spotlight problem, which consists of about 60 halogen GU10s in various rooms, installed by the previous owner while creating their Grand Design. Across the place it is a mix of recessed downlighters and exposed-type fittings.<br /><br />In the kitchen for example, 5 out of 19 have popped in 12 weeks since we moved in. <br /><br />I'm trying out an Ikea one called LEDARE, £4 and specced as 25k hours life, '35W', 150 Lumens, 2700k (warm white), 36 degree beam, same size as a halogen spot.<br /><br />These are a reasonably direct replacement for the existing 35W spots, which the previous owner admitted were 'cheap and cheerful off the internet'..<br /><br />To date they seem OK, but I'll lose my dimmer circuits - which is fine. Ceilings are about 2.5m, and the beam angle seems OK.<br /><br />I wonder if anyone has experience of these or a recommended alternative? Are there any gotchas I should know ebfore I spend £300-£400? <br /><br />I'd go to perhaps £6-7 per bulb if necessary. Is there mileage in using something more powerful and leaving half of the fittings unused?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Ferdinand]]>
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		<title>Door lining heads</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 22:18:25 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[I always made my own heads occasionally altering standard ones.<br /><br />The reason for this is that they make the heads too small.<br /><br />I think a door should have a small clearance each side 4mm so the head should hold the styles 8mm wider apart than the width of the door to be hung in it.<br /><br />Why are we in the C21 talking about this, should have been sorted years ago.]]>
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		<title>Possible asbestos tiling?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 21:32:23 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Swarm</author>
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			<![CDATA[In the lower-ground floor of the house we have ceramic tile laid over another darker tile I discovered the other day.<br /><br />Ideally we will be able to rip all this up and possibly insulate this floor but now I'm worried it may be asbestos tile as it's a 60s house and this may have been the original flooring.<br /><br />As well as being on the floor it seems to go up 1-2 tiles on the wall too. I've included photos and sorry they're not all in focus.<br /><br />I'm not averse to having an expert come in and test them etc. but would be interested if anyone knowledgeable on this has any opinion from the photos.]]>
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		<title>Where to buy or how to make window fixing straps?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 14:05:43 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[Where do we buy window fixing straps? Or should we get them made?<br /><br />What thickness are they generally and how hard are they to bend on site as required? Is it something we should get the engineer involved with? Should we expect the window manufacturer to be able to supply these?<br /><br />We're installing heavy triple-glazed timber units, one of which is a 3.7 m long folding sliding door. Attached is the window detail I'm working to for most of our windows (to existing brickwork)]]>
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		<title>Ultimate greenhouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 21:22:33 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Charli</author>
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			<![CDATA[House renovation awaiting various tradesmen... my thoughts have turned to an area where I really can build whatever I like and no one minds if I make a mess! <br /><br />Haven't got a massive gap- 4m long and south facing, everything has to be diy-able, what kind of greenhouse would you build in a mildish middle of the UK climate- with the aim of it being frost-free without requiring any mains-leccy over the winter.<br /><br />Brick north-facing wall, insulated on the outside, sunken path for cold air to accumulate in, triple-wall polycarbonate sheeting (I won't be allowed to spend that much), climate battery... any ideas?<br /><br />In reality I'll end up with whatever I can get off ebay/freecycle... but I can dream!]]>
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		<title>Low tech solution to cutter PUR board</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 20:51:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>an02ew</author>
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			<![CDATA[Just been experimenting with different cutters for PUR board and have found an very quick, clean  and cheap method, it worked so well i can actually say its the first time i ever enjoyed using it.<br /><br />first sharpen the SIDE of a large flexible(thin) scraper then using a straight edge just slice the board 2/3 times, the scrappers edge has to be very sharp.<br /><br />see PDFs below]]>
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		<title>Safe kitchen unit materials</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:34:25 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>carolwat</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />I have MCS and need a new kitchen, but cannot afford very expensive kitchen units.  <br /><br />Does anyone know of companies who sell kitchen units which are from safe materials that are not megaexpensive?  <br /><br />Also what are the preferred materials to use that prefereably don't outgas nasties for long?<br /><br />Chipboard outgases formaldehyde. I have been told, though, that ECOS sell a paint that can be used to neutralise the formaldehyde on chipboard/MDF etc, but that is probably a last resort.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Carol]]>
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		<title>How to determine number of window fixing straps required</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 21:25:36 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[How do you determine number of window fixing straps required? Is BS8213 Part 4 available free anywhere. Or guidance based on it?]]>
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		<title>Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 08:58:17 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>bot de paille</author>
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			<![CDATA[Heating back on this weekend! cold and wet here, which is very unusual for the south of France in May.<br /><br />Drove by the Pyrenees mountains the other day and I have never seen so much snow on them, even in the depths of winter.  2 meters of snow covering the roads which the snow plough has to carve a canyon through.<br /><br /> My partner who has lived in these parts all her life has never seen anything like it, her parents neither. The old timers say that it reminds them of the winters just before WW2 and as far as they are concerned this summer is going to be almost no existent.<br /><br /> Maunder minimum anyone?]]>
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		<title>Smoke Nuisance – is wood wood?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:23:45 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Mikeee5</author>
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			<![CDATA[I am experiencing a problem with a neighbours wood stove and have had to get my local Environmental Health Department involved as I am Asthmatic and the smoke and fumes have had a massive impact on my health. I approached my neighbours about the smoke and informed them about the problems it was causing to me. My neighbours said that they had done everything to comply and were not prepared to change their installation or their choice of fuels. They have a 4.5 kw DEFRA exempt stove and are burning pallets and off cuts of timber joist i.e. 4x2 rough sawn wood on a regular basis. The EH officer has visited their property recently and has informed me that they are ok to burn these woods as they are not painted or varnished. I have researched the internet and had conversations with a number of governing bodies and the conclusion I have come to is that the stove should be fuelled with “seasoned logs only”.  The EH officer said that you could argue that wood is wood! I would say that is an “opinion” not fact!<br /> <br />I have recently had a discussion with the technical team of one of the governing bodies and they said that the stove should be run and fuelled as per the conditions listed in the Schedule of document 2106 Clean Air England. The Smoke Control Area (Exempted Fireplaces) (England) (No. 2) Order 2011, to comply with the requirements of BS PD 634:1969 which is the Test Protocol for the recommendations for the design and testing of smoke reducing solid fuel burning domestic appliances. I have looked through the schedule and neighbours stove is listed as exempted to burn “dry &amp; split wood logs” no mention of pallets or rough wood!<br /><br />2011 No. 2106<br />CLEAN AIR, ENGLAND<br />The Smoke Control Areas (Exempted Fireplaces) (England) (No. 2) Order 2011<br />Made<br />22nd August 2011<br />Laid before Parliament<br />31st August 2011<br />Coming into force<br />1st October 2011<br />The Secretary of State makes the following Order in exercise of the powers conferred by section 21 of the Clean Air Act 1993(1). <br />The Secretary of State is satisfied that the fireplaces exempted by this Order can be used for burning fuel other than authorised fuels(2) without producing any smoke or a substantial quantity of smoke. <br />Citation, application and commencement<br />1.  This Order— <br />(a)may be cited as the Smoke Control Areas (Exempted Fireplaces) (England) (No. 2) Order 2011; <br />(b)applies in England; and <br />(c)comes into force on 1st October 2011. <br />Fireplaces exempted from the provisions of section 20 of the Clean Air Act 1993<br />2.  The fireplaces listed in the Schedule are exempt from the provisions of section 20 of the Clean Air Act 1993 (prohibition on emission of smoke in smoke control area), subject to the conditions listed in the Schedule. <br />Revocation<br />3.  The Smoke Control Areas (Exempted Fireplaces) (England) Order 2011(3) is revoked. <br /><br /><br /><br />I have started a thread in Building Regulations and Standards regarding the close proximity of my neighbours chimney in respect to part J and have had some positive feed back but thought the smoke problem would be better continued under heating  and cooling. <br /><br />All thoughts welcomed.<br /><br />Mikeee]]>
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		<title>DIY Groove-fitted Seal for Windows</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 19:40:57 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[It didn't get an answer on my more generic windows thread but I really want to fit some sort of air-tightness seal in all my many and huge wooden windows and French doors I am retro-fitting with double glazing.  I have loads of brown 'P' profile stick-backed sealant but I was hoping for some advice on something longer lasting, and, perhaps with a greater range ie will seal from 1mm to 5mm for example. Having just started with a router I am 'up for' what is required...These frames are mounted on hinges that screw on machine threads into the wood so there is a bit of scope if everything is too tight but the main problem is nothing is quite straight and everything is a bit loose.  There are no seals fitted currently.  Any recommendations gratefully received.]]>
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		<title>ECO funding/grants ... any experience?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 09:27:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>scrimper</author>
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			<![CDATA[Just wondering if anyone has had any success accessing funds via this ECO (Energy Company Obligation) deal to finance exterior wall insulation (or similar)?<br /><br />Our circumstances wouldn't let us qualify under any means tested or low-income basis I shouldn't think, but I'm a little confused because some of the material I read seems to suggest that this isn't always a barrier.  We are in a period property (whatever that means!) and have no current insulation to speak of ...]]>
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		<title>Worth Reading Before Specifying Warm Wedge Glazing Units</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 23:16:07 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[I reckon almost everyone would benefit from reading this before specifying warm edges in their new 2 or 3G windows:<br /><br />http://www.fenzigroup.com/portals/0/pdf/News3_11_WarmEdge_ENG.pdf<br /><br />Now one has to question how independent this is, given Fenzi make warm edges of various types.  I've read a few biased reports in my life and this one doesn't seem to me to have the 'bad smell', and they do say some negative things about several of the product types they sell; so, given I could find no other informative documentation on warm edges, I suggest it's a must read.  However, I would love to read anything else along these line....anyone?<br /><br />One weakness is that they don't compare the various warm edge types with a std ali edge in their table...Anyway, having read this I am left with a concern that warm edges don't have the longevity that ali edges have (except the stainless steel construction type warm edge).  Can anyone set my mind at ease?]]>
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		<title>RHPP and RHI payments ... clarification anyone?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 10:28:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>scrimper</author>
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			<![CDATA[Thought I had all the loose ends tied up ... but having spoken to a few people at the Grand Designs show I'm now a bit confused.<br /><br />First question:  is any RHPP payment effectively an 'up front' RHI payment?  I've heard that (if) RHI payments come in, your metered amounts of energy generation will be used first to pay back the RHPP amount, before it then starts to pay out at their regular unit rates.<br /><br />Second question:  I gather from reading about RHPP payments that you can have dual grants ... e.g you could have two systems, air source and biomass, and both would qualify for vouchers.  But someone at the show was insisting that only one source (the main one) could be then metered for RHI payments ..<br /><br />I know it is a little crazy trying to second guess the government's moves on this front - but I just wanted to get a clearer understanding of how people see the lie of the land at the moment.  Basically I would like to use air source as an automated source of heat ... but would also love to use the wood we are lucky enough to have around us ... and it would be great if both systems qualified for the grants!]]>
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		<title>3G glazing spec and costs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 15:31:30 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Simon Still</author>
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			<![CDATA[Starting to get quotes for windows, doors and structural glass now.  Going to be by far the most expensive element of our build above ground.<br /><br />Looking to spec 3G for all of the glazing but I'm assuming not all 3G is created equal.  What do people recommend/relative advantages and what cost uplift (per m^2) should I expect for - <br />- wider spacings (4-18-4-18-4) vs (4-16-4-16-4)<br />- laminated glass (think we might be required to have this for all the &quot;accessible&quot; windows/doors)<br />- low e coatings<br />- self cleaning coatings<br /><br />I suspect these 'extras' are fairly high margin and can be negotiated a bit but don't have a clue as to the 'right' price at the moment.]]>
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		<title>OSB3: Longevity and moisture resistance observations</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:16:03 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Nick Parsons</author>
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			<![CDATA[A very unscientific test, but I happen to have had an offcut of 18mm OSB3 stood out in the weather for many months. It looks as good as the day it was bought (and it looked good then!). The 11mm OSB (?2) I clad my shed in was probably about 13-14mm, and very 'shaggy' , after a few weeks. I am very impressed.]]>
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		<title>32 mm stopcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:25:48 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[Can you recommend a 32 mm stopcock? It's for a 32 mm MDPE mains water pipe. <br /><br />I'm not sure what we're doing after the stopcock. 22 mm copper? A manifold? What's the best way to t-off from the stopcock? I need to put a meter in somewhere too... before the stopcock I assume?]]>
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		<title>ASHP or solar thermal for DHW</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:07:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Brunei Bob</author>
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			<![CDATA[Has anyone used ASHP purely for heating DHW instead of solar panels or is it overkill?  I also saw the thermodynamic panels recently at the build show and thought of running it in conjunction with the PV, however the panels are expensive.  I've read the threads on the panels, had anyone got any first hand knowledge of running costs and whether they do what they say on the tin. <br /><br />Many thanks in advance for your thoughts.<br /><br />Cheers.]]>
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		<title>CSFH experiences</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:13:23 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>GHC</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi All,<br />I was wondering who has had experiences with CFSH courses / software and their verdicts. After a few queries i thought i would take a look into the training courses to see if it would be time well spent, but they all seem to vary in price and software usability.<br /><br />Thanks for the input!<br />Pete]]>
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		<title>The Green Deal - Is it a good one?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:00:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Triassic</author>
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			<![CDATA[I keep getting e-mails about the &quot;Green Deal&quot;, suggesting I attend various training courses.<br /><br />The latest offer had a list of points and this set me to wondering. What is it all about and do I need to know more, ideally without wasteing my time? <br /><br />So anyone here got any answers ---<br /><br />How does the Green Deal work?<br />How is the Green Deal funded?<br />What kinds of customers will the Green Deal benefit the most?<br />How are Green Deal loans repaid and how long is the payback period?<br />What is the &quot;Golden Rule?&quot;<br />What are the roles of the Green Deal Assessors, Providers and Installers?<br />What do you need to do to prepare your business for the Green Deal?<br />How will participants in the scheme earn their revenue?<br />What are the rules about relationships between Assessors and Providers?<br /><br /><br />By the way I started the tread here because I keep being told energy assessment is key to the deal?]]>
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		<title>Perfect Storm</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Ample funds and a good building plot, but what to build?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:32:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>an02ew</author>
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			<![CDATA[Luckily this is not my dilemma, but I have been asked what would I build?<br /><br />The budget is around 3 to 4 hundred thousand and the plot is about an acre.<br />I have advice that PH may not be the easiest route to take due to its strict rules and limited choice of products.<br />I have warned that the build will reflect the developer’s personality, his honesty and he should think hard and plan before he rushes in with a quick fix. <br /><br />What would you build?]]>
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		<title>LED lights</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>neilgorswift</author>
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			<![CDATA[Photon star LEd's are state of the art reliable GB technology. Does anyone know of other quality but good value alternatives for &quot;on a budget LED&quot; scheme?]]>
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		<title>Installation Advice for DIY retrofit of DG into wood Frames</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 18:42:16 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[Would love a bit of advice as to how to proceed with fitting DG to my windows (frames).  I have lots: 6 x French windows (2 over 3m tall!) and 9 ordinary windows each of these with avg 1.5m2 of glass area).  The windows and top pane of French Doors have slots in the top and one slides the glass in.  The photos show one of the smaller French Doors and a close up of the bottom pane glass removed.<br /><br />The idea is to rout out all the windows inner frames (and top part of French Doors) back to the glass slot.  I am then left with the second photo where there is 28mm thickness.  What format do you recommend?  I thought I would use 4-10-4 or 4-12-4 leaving a piece of 10 or 8 mm quadrant to hold the DG in place.  Now I am afraid that the bigger French Windows will be very heavy made like this (they are not well installed) and was hoping to use 3mm glass on the top panes of the French doors.  I know that it is safer to use 4mm glass but the 3mm stuff currently installed hasn't caused any problems, also the glass should be tempered below 1m or so but I'm not doing that.  No regs to worry about as in Italy.  So how does 3mm glass (with an extra 2mm gap to make width the same) compare?<br /><br />As to the installation itself can anyone advice on how it is done: should I use spacers, if so, which ones; what gap I should aim for between the edge of the DG units and frame; should I ventilate this gap and if so how; any issues arising out of triangular shaped DG units; and any other general pointers/advice.  Local glassier will make the DG units.<br /><br />Bit of a big job this so v grateful for your advice.  What a difference this is going to make!]]>
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		<title>Five ways to be greener</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 00:34:11 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[Five things that I could do:-<br /><br />1) Reduce my usage of all resources<br />2) Draught proof my home<br />3) Drive more slowly<br />4) Throw away my thermostat and fit myself a programmable room thermostat.<br />5) ?<br /><br />I only need five could we help me do better without making the list any longer]]>
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		<title>Improve effeciency and running costs of Exhaust Air Heat Pump</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 10:16:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>stones</author>
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			<![CDATA[As per previous discussions regarding problems with Exhaust Air Heat Pumps, I have been considering what I can do to make mine more efficient / reduce running costs.  I have the optimum settings for our house programmed in, but would (as would we all) like to cut my energy bill.  I have installed soalr Pv (nearly 8Kw) on east and south facing roofs which gives me a good spread of energy over the whole day.  This will of course help, as will the FiT but it is the age old question of how I can use excess solar Pv. <br /><br />Dumping excess PV into an immersion is number one option but may prove difficult as my immersion is integrated with my heat pump.  I am currently waiting to hear back from the manufacturer as to whether it is possible to do this.<br /><br />Two more ideas to use excess pv to help reduce running costs, first use an intelligent switch/socket to switch on a dehumidifier in a laundry room to dry clothes.  This is something low cost that will benefit us and provide some additional heat to be recycled through the heat pump.  A small electric heater in spring/autumn and winter, again controlled by an intelligent switch/socket is another option.  <br /><br />The third option is whether to fit either a pre heater or supply air heater (again switched on and off using an intelligent switch/socket) to the supply air duct before it enters the heat pump ventilation system to pre heat the air and thus save the heat pump from having to do so.  If I can raise the incoming air temp to 8C or above, the heat pump does not need to use any immersion back up.  My question therefore is which option do you think would be best, a pre heater (frost prevention type heater) or supply air heater (1 or 1.5 kw) with some kind of thermostat inside to ensure internal temp does not soar to unbearable levels?  I think has the greatest potential at relatively low cost.<br /><br />My other thought, previously discussed on the forum, would be an underground pipe buried at 2m through which supply air would be drawn.  This gets more complicated as it would be a retrofit.  Plenty of space outside to bury the pipe, and could run it vertically in an insulated enclosure outside the house before bringing it inside.  This would be quite expensive to do, probably £3K - £4K if using pipe with silver in it.  I was put off this thought when building my house 2009 / 2010 due to the negative vibe at the time.  Wondering if anyone has installed such a pipe and if there is any fresh thinking on the pros and cons of such a pipe?]]>
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		<title>Mobile App to cut wind farm objections</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 19:15:57 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>CWatters</author>
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			<![CDATA[https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2013/05/19/mobile-app-aims-to-cut-wind-farms-opposition/<br /><br />&quot;VentusAR uses technology such as gravity sensors and GPS, which are now standard in smartphones and other mobile devices, to create an instant 3D image of what a site would look like after a wind farm is built.&quot;<br /><br />The developers won't like that. They like to control where photomontages are taken from so that trees obsure the turbines.]]>
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		<title>Triple glazing - reasonably priced supplier</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>eniacs</author>
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			<![CDATA[Looking for triple glazing units so far I've had a barrage of non responses from the majority of suppliers and one huge quote back from internorm.<br /><br />So far I've completed one room of my house which I installed a triple glazed UPVC 28mm (4--8--4--8--4) Which as i understand it is maybe on a par or slightly better than double glazing. This was a reasonable £300 (up from £200 ish for the double) delivered to my house within a week.<br /><br />The size is a fairly standard 1.8m wide by 1.2m height. We opted for three identical panels of glass with one of them opening outwards.<br /><br />Internorm have quoted an extremely high quote of £1200 for the same window albeit in UPVC/aluminium, this is apparantly including their discount offer of free upgrade to triple glazing, god knows what it was befor this. Im shocked and am starting to think I may as well follow the rest of the country and go double all round as the upgrade clearly isnt worth it. <br /><br />I am happy to pay extra for the better glass, but I am at a loss to find a supplier.<br /><br />Any ideas? I would like a UPVC frame with the 44mm 4-16-4-16-4 glass. No need for fancy wooden frames as these will be needlessly expensive and out of place for this renovation.]]>
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		<title>How much distance is too much between window opening and window/door frame?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 14:40:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[Do you think 43 mm is too much distance for a fixing lug between structural opening and door frame head? This is for a triple-glazed sliding folding door which is 3.7 m wide (it's supported at the base on a concrete slab).<br /><br />The window manufacturer buggered up the height and made it too short.]]>
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		<title>Crowdfunding Renewables</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 17:24:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Paul_B</author>
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			<![CDATA[I did a search and couldn't find anyone have started a conversation on this topic so thought others might be interested. <br /><br />I came across Abundance Generation when I was looking at making small investments via Crowdsourcing. I wanted to invest in small manufacturing entities that were likely been overlooked by banks or if not imposed with high borrowing rates. Anyway Abundance Generation (https://www.abundancegeneration.com/) is a slight twist on the theme in that it offers debentures in a renewables scheme, once an offer has been completed (most don't make it out of the early bird discount period as take-up is very quick) you can follow the weekly production of energy at the projects you have invested in.<br /><br />To date I've made a single investment in a Solar farm based fairly locally in Kent, it is as the background summary explains &quot;...The project is a commercial scale, ground mounted solar array, consisting of 999 solar panels giving a total capacity of 249.75kWp&quot;<br /><br />Ever week I can see how much energy has been produced and a small summary of weather conditions:<br /><br />Week 06/05/13 - 12/05/13 = 9,053 kWh<br />Week 29/04/13 - 05/05/13 = 11,082 kWh<br />Week 22/04/13 - 28/04/13 = 10,094 kWh<br /><br />Is this a way to get people involved in renewables and provide renewable companies access to relatively cheap money?<br /><br />Paul]]>
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		<title>Has the sun set on solar power?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 07:03:00 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Anyone read this over the weekend?<br /><br />http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/money/Consumer/article1260843.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_05_18]]>
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		<title>Building Good Airtighness into an Attic Room</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 12:28:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Greenfish</author>
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			<![CDATA[Part of my new build bungalow is 1.5 story so want to put an attic room in there, but have worries about doing so without compromising air tightness and thermal efficiency. No dormer windows allowed by planning, PV/Solar panels on the South facing roof (that extends over a veranda), so any skylights are limited to North but can have windows in the gable ends. Roof slope is 37.5º, but the apex is ~3.5m above the generous 2.7m ceiling height of the rest of the building, so there is space for a room. A useful attic room in the space available makes more sense to me than a vaulted roof (or nothing) <br /><br />The idea is to construct the room using attic trusses with the joists hanging on side struts down from the rafters with the rafters resting on a wall plate. Thus the attic is within the building walls, but sides of the truss narrow the room width. See diagram below. I am not completely sure how the truss will be constructed, but pretty sure that there will be some gap between the side struts and the masonry walls. I could really do with advice about how to make the construction air tight especially the area of the wall plate.  <br /><br />The best way to insulate is another question. The typical attic room approach of part rafter level and the dwarf side walls leaves open areas behind the sides for thermal looping losses. Could fill these too, but there will already be adequate insulation at the sides wall inside the masonry cavity. Do I insulate the full rafter length instead? Not keen on Insulating the roof externally because of the roofing over the veranda. Internally requires fitting around the truss timbers side timbers as been as between rafters. Any suggestions?]]>
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		<title>50kW turbine installation costs.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 11:33:57 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>gustyturbine</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br />A friend has been approached by a company wanting to install a 50kW turbine on his farm. Planning should be fine as the farm next to him has fitted one already. Thjey have told him that all costs (£350,000) would be paid for by the company. The grid connection would go over his land for around .5 miles. Does the installation cost seem high at all? If the cost was lower he may try and fund it himself.<br />I am used to the larger scale turbine operation and the MW price installed is much cheaper then than £350,000 for 50kw quoted although I can understand why to a degree.<br />What is the opinion of the wind turbine operators we have on the forum? Does £350,000 seem high to them. The turbine is Endurance.<br />Many thanks.]]>
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		<title>Should I buy thermodynamic solar panels now without RHI?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>peterpanel22</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hello I have been contacted by a company called SKS Thermodynamics and are calling their system revolutionary but is it revolutionary like the salesmen said??<br /><br />Is it making solar thermal look like yesterday's technology? as this works all year round therefore you do not rely on secondary source.<br /><br />Their website looks professional but not sure to go ahead with them <a href="<a href="http://www.sks-thermo.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.sks-thermo.co.uk</a>" >. Does anyone have any experience with this company?? I found a few positive reviews of them.<br /><br />Also they said this system qualifies for the RHI but it does not come into action until summer 2012, but I do not know how much I would get.<br /><br />The price they quoted was just above £6000 for this for my needs, how long will it take to get an ROI?<br /><br />Sorry for multiple questions, me and my partner are in this dilema and I could not find any information to this as this is a new thing, and having free hot water heating really would help us out.<br /><br /> :neutral:</a>]]>
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		<title>The One Show - heat pump horror story</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 10:43:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>rhamdu</author>
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			<![CDATA[Anyone else see this on The One Show yesterday (1 May 2013)?<br /><br />Newly built estate in Coventry, with exhaust-air-source heat pumps installed in the houses. For three years, residents have been getting enormous electricity bills. <br /><br />One theory is that the heat pumps are under-specified and as a result, the electric back-up heater is on for much of the time.<br /> <br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01s6sxd/The_One_Show_01_05_2013/]]>
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		<title>Water mains supply pipe material/product?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 15:05:14 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[What material do we use for our new water mains supply pipe? Needs to be 32 mm.]]>
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		<title>What Tapes to Use for Air Tightness</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 13:18:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Greenfish</author>
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			<![CDATA[Any recommendations for what tape to use to seal uPVC window frames in place. Masonry construction, intend to put PU foam in any gaps and then need tape for air tightness sticking onto either the foil backing of insulation boards or wet plaster.]]>
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		<title>Discontinuous Primary seal on Retro Fit DG - normal?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 18:05:29 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have just picked up 4 new DG Units for retro-fitting into my wooden frames.  The units are DG, 4-9-4, soft Low-E, Argon filled with trad aluminium spacers - some glass is tempered .  I was surprised to see that the so-called primary seal between the spacer bar and the glass was not-continuous - OK 99% there, with some very thin points but also one or 2 places where there is a complete absence of sealer.  The question is is this normal?  I was told this was normal and, if I understood them right (in Italian), that this 'seal' was for structural strength rather than sealing the unit.]]>
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		<title>External Wall Insulation with Brick Slips</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2013 14:15:46 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>ferkan</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />As far as I can see, this has not been asked before.  I'm interested in adding external wall insulation to the back of a victorian terraced house.  An option I'm vaguely considering is to try and replicate the original look of the wall by using brick slips.  However, there is a fair amount of brick detailing (over windows etc), which may make things more difficult.<br /><br />I suspect that I might have to go for a render, but just in case, has anyone ever tried this?]]>
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		<title>What regs apply?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 17:27:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>PaulJ</author>
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			<![CDATA[Could anyone let me know what part L regs apply to a conversion of an office, built approx 15 years ago, to resi?  2010 L1A seems to just focus on erection of new dwelling.]]>
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		<title>Glazing and wildlife</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 09:32:33 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>owlman</author>
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			<![CDATA[For three or four years now we've had problems with rooks,-or a rook (?), problem there they all look the same,:bigsmile:. It, they, want to bash their brains out on the windows. A couple of the DG windows are badly and permanently scratched. This last year it's got particularly bad and usually starts at about 5 am. We guess its territorial and a result of reflection. the usual dangly shiny things or festooning the window with raptor cutouts don't seem to deter and the internet is not much help either. I remember one of my clients a few years ago, whose house was frequently the scene of thrush suicides.<br />First;  anyone got any bright ideas for a solution short of a shotgun.<br />Second; Is the increasing useage of huge glazed areas in out homes very bad, not only from an insulation point of view, but also from a wildlife perspective?<br />Third; Bit of a daft question, but are there any non reflective sealed units?<br /><br />Edit: We OWLS generally don't have a problem, being mainly nocturnal.:bigsmile::wink:]]>
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		<title>Mid Terrace Victorian Retrofit</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 13:37:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>stuey</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi all, am a newbie here. I've been reading all your threads on internal insulation etc and I'm after an opinion on my conclusions. Firstly I'm no engineer so have not taken any readings, values and placed them all into a cool spreadsheet that gives me my current situation etc. However, I'm very willing to learn and furred my skill set. <br /><br />I purchased a 3 story Mid terrace in November last year. It's your typical mid terrace with the stairs all to cock (the ground floor stairs running parallel to the front and rear elevation, right in the middle of the ground floor and the stairs from the 1st to 2nd floor running 90degrees to the first along the wall of the right hand side of the building running from the rear to the front upwards). The rear bedroom which allows access to the 2nd staircase is actually the bathroom. There is a single skinned kitchen 3m x 2.5 at the rear and a small garden. The width of the property is ONLY 3.3 meters. <br /><br />The plan is to build a dormer in the roof to allow the existing staircase to remain in its current position but run in the opposite direction (I.e from front to rear) coming down to the 2nd floor will be a small landing and the stairs will continue along the right hand side of the building to the front door at the bottom so the stairs will all run together. This will allow me to separate the middle floor into; a front bedroom, a small 1700mm x 1700mm bathroom in the middle and a small single bedroom at the rear. <br /><br />Then a new kitchen/diner will be built across the rear of the property, 4m out to the garden.  A port light window will be placed on the flat roof of this extension to allow light into both the new extension and the new central part of the ground floor. The whole of the ground floor will be open plan (one long living space / kitchen). <br /><br />The estimated cost of the dormer/extension and staircase move etc is roughly £40K.<br /><br />My part of all this is to maximise space by knocking out the front chimney breast, ground and second floor) ripping up the floor boards and adding insulation and insulating the front and rear external walls of the house. I am also installing a wood burning stove in the rear chimney breast. <br /><br />Now for the facts about the external walls - they DO have a roughly 80mm cavity. However inside the property, no insulation is present, just plaster making them extremely cold in the winter. The party walls are also letting an awful lot of noise through from next door on either side and I will be soundproofing the bedrooms at least. <br /><br />So my dilemma lies in what to use to a) internally insulate the front and rear external walls, b) how best to insulate the floor and c) what to use to soundproof/insulate the party walls ???<br /><br />The one limiting factor is SPACE! The property is only 3.2m wide so efficient sound proofing of party walls with bars and soundboard will be reserved for the master bedroom in the loft and only on one side. The opposite side will have a built in wardrobe against the wall. <br /><br />I have narrowed my choice on insulation for the front and rear walls to either 50mm celotex with plasterboard on top or a layer of 10mm Sempertap. The advantage of Sempertap is that it's thin and I can do the job quick without taking the plaster off the walls. If this is a recommended option then I would be partial to using this for most of the house, party walls as well. I am interested in people's opinions on this as I've heard conflicting reports about Sempertap. Is 50mm Celotex board the preferred option? Baring in mind the width of the house, this would be fine for the front and rear walls but not the party, I would just lose too much space and its a LOT of work to do ALL the walls in this way. <br /><br />As for the floor it seems that EPF is the cheapest option? Between the joists, sealed with expandable foam and services laid over top before putting the boards back??? I have about a foot of space under the joists for airflow so I'm hoping that there will not be too much condensation build up under the insulation. <br /><br />Cost wise it seems that the Sempertap is more expensive but it's less mess and work to install. Will it still be as good an insulator as 50mm Kingspan or Celotex? Also - I AM NOT PLANNING ON FILLING THE CAVITY WALL. The reason for this was so that there is a large enough air space behind the insulation in case of condensation. <br /><br />I'd like to finish by saying that all the plastering in the building is very good despite the age. It would be a shame to rip it all off to accommodate battening and insulation not to mention a lot of extra work. I am also not planning on living in this house long term so my only goal here is to improve insulation and drop heating bills which, incidentally are below the national average, even in winter but that may be because I wear a jumper rather than put the heating on. :-) <br /><br />Hope this helps guys. Am I on the right track? Your opinions please? <br /><br />Regards <br /><br />Stuart :bigsmile:]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>James Norton</author>
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			<![CDATA[What's the best modelling software...?<br /><br />1.   Free / cheap (for me)<br /><br />2.   Paid for (for work)<br /><br />J]]>
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		<title>Reusing copper hot water cylinder as water butt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 07:13:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[Good idea or bad?]]>
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		<title>Using mortar/concrete when it's below 5º</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 10:00:01 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[When it's said not to lay mortar or concrete when the temperature is below 5 degrees centigrade does this mean the temperature that night as well or just when you're actually laying it.<br /><br />For example is it okay to lay mortar/concrete when the temperature is forecast for below 5º overnight, even though it's well above that during the day when you're laying it.]]>
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		<title>Water Right polyurethane garden hoses</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 22:29:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Shevek</author>
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			<![CDATA[Anyone know of anybody in the UK who supplies these hoses?<br />http://www.waterrightinc.com]]>
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		<title>&quot;Rebuilding not rewinding is the future of conservation &quot;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 17:33:53 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[This is from New Scientist, jist is that there never was a golden time, so we can't go back to that as the Earth is constantly changing.<br />It also says we are better of saving habitat and ecosystems than species.<br /><br />http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829173.000-rebuilding-not-rewinding-is-the-future-of-conservation.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news<br /><br />I tend to agree with it (mentioned it on the one of the wood burning threads once), but it does have consequences for housing developments.]]>
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