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    Dear Illustrious Community,

    We are going through a very stressful time; we are living on our own plot having all but finished our strawbale building. We have another plot with full pp for a dwelling and were planning to resubmit to build a small mediation/work studio in the place of the dwelling with a small granny annexe. Although we have pp, the neighbour overlooking that plot has complained vociferously due to fears of reducing the value of their property (i.e. having a caravan on the plot and building over too long a time for their preferences for selling) Despite the fact that they bought thier plot knowing ours had pp and we obtained pp for them in the first place....
    We have had the enforcement officer who has been supportive and told the complainant that al is above board. However, they are still insisting on taking it further.
    Since we are feeling less and less like building under their noses on the plot onto which our contractors have just moved, we would like to change our plans to build on the plot in which our building currently sits. (We have pp for another building here as well.) This would be far less stressful and work very well. Here's the question, are there any obvious problems with our contractors living on the plot next to this one in the caravan which we recently moved onto it whilst building on this one? We don't want to go to the planners directly at this stage.
    Any pointers much appreciated.
    • CommentAuthorseascape
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2013
     
    Hi Carol,

    I'm not sure of planning law etc so you may have to check.

    A friend in Cornwall is doing up a cob barn which has planning consent. Over about 2 years they put a small caravan on site and built a shed to store materials/use as a work shop without informing planners. They don't live there but visit often for weeks at a time and are unlikely to finish soon! Someone complained to the planners twice by email and enforcement notices were issued. To cut along story short they eventually met the planning officer who said they could stay in the caravan/barn whilst doing it up - nothing was said about the shed and both enforcement notices have been 'closed'.
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2013 edited
     
    I bought a static caravan for a rebuild many years ago and the building inspector said as long as it was removed on completion of the house they had no trouble with it. Lucky me, the neighbours did not mind. look at:- http://selfbuild.com/showthread.php?9-Do-I-need-planning-permission-for-my-caravan

    P.S. have you a web site re your straw bale build, I am planning one, helped on two and would love to see what you have done.
  2.  
    Thank you both - It is allowed by our planning dept for self builders to live in a caravan on-site whilst building; we did so for 5 years (hence the reason we don't have a web-site for our build Joe90, too stressed/exhausted) happy to speak with you though....

    This question is whether it's ok to stay in the caravan on one plot whilst building on the adjacent plot, both being owned by us. We would be prepared to change the use of the land from building plot to garden if that made it easier to do so?
    • CommentAuthorbeelbeebub
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2013
     
    Just a thought,

    It appears that it is ok for the builder to live in a caravan on site during a build.

    the question is: "Is it ok for the builder to live on a caravan on a plot next door to the site being built?"

    If you have planning for both plots could you not start both by digging the foundations for both, or at least a part of the foundations for one. Then the builders could live on that plot (as it is an active site) whilst building on the "real" site.

    Would that work?
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2013
     
    This is a bit tricky.
    I seem to remember that if it's a "static" caravan (ie not a touring caravan) there is only an exemption(*) if the owner/builder (self builder) lives in it.The exemption is from needing both planning consent and from requiring a caravan site license.
    If the contractor is NOT the self builder or living in a caravan off site then that caravan will need both planning consent and a caravan site license. You'd most likely get away with it because LAs don't take too harsh a view (generally) but make sure your Gas Safety Certificate is up to date.
    If it's a touring caravan then planning is much more relaxed and you only need a caravan site licence if you have 5 or more!
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    Thank you - The contractors already have permission from our planning dept. to live in the static caravan whilst building for us. The only change is that the building would be next door in our other plot. We could incorporate the building plot as our garden a give up pp for a dwelling on it to make it easier?
    • CommentAuthorwoodgnome
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2013 edited
     
    The fact your neighbors object on the basis that it may de-value their property is irrelevant in planning terms as the caravan/mobile home is is temporary. If you have written permission to site a mobile home on a plot, this will usually have a condition that the mobile home/caravan will be removed once the house is inhabited.
    Why would you give up pp for a dwelling just because your neighbor wants to sell their house and thinks a temporary mobile home, which has current planning permission, might make their house less less likely to sell?
    Your neighbor is selling their house so won't be next door for long. I would carry on as you are and if they don't like it...tough. if the plots don't have permission for a mobile home at present, submit an application for a temporary mobile home whilst the building works are continuing. who actually lives in the mobile home is irrelevant.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2013 edited
     
    However, they are still insisting on taking it further.


    Did they say how? I'm not aware of anything they can do. If the planning officer is happy they have no mechanisim to take things further. If your workers were causing some kind of statutory nusiance (noise, dust, smells?) then they might be able to get that stopped but otherwise I can't see that they can do anything.

    How long would they be living on one plot but working on another?

    I'd be tempted to just get on with it. If the planning officer were to object you could tell him the contractors will be starting work on "their plot" soon and that would make them "legal". If he comes back again tell him you've been delayed a bit but they really will be starting soon. If really necessary you could do the bare minimum work on their site so that it qualifies as having been "started" (in the planning sense). Once work has started there is no rule on how fast they have to work :-)

    Eventually if the planning officer decides they have stopped work and therefore aren't following the rules he might write to you to advise that they need planning permission to live on that site while working on another. However if he can see they won't be "in breech" for long I doubt he will press the matter. Even if he did you could delay a month or two then submit a planning application for temporary use which would probably buy you another two months even if it was refused. At that point they could issue a notice of intent to issue enforcement proceedings but you could submit an appeal and that would delay things further, possibly for six months. The planners know you have the ability to delay any formal action they take so if they think you will move the vans when finished I think it unlikely they will give you too much trouble.
    • CommentAuthorNovice1
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2013
     
    Agree with all of the above but the problem is not the intricacies of caravan planning rules, its unreasonable neigbours you will never be able to appease. Have a frank discussion with your planning officer and all in officialdom and get them on side. Explain that you feel that they are frustrating the process. Explore what you can legally do to stop them harassing and frustrating what you are legally entitled to do. Sometimes the best defence is a good offence.
    Then put up the highest site hoarding you are legally allowed to. They will try to frustrate things at every point and the less they see/know the better.
    We've found that after you have bent over backwards to appease objectors, there comes a point when you have to accept that you cannot please everyone and must start actively defending your own interest.
    Machiavelli, Mao, Jack Dempsey, Brazil and Barcellona can't be wrong.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2013
     
    In Machiavelli 'The Prince', he claims to get respect from the enemy first you have to totally crush them, then start giving out small treats. Do it the other way around and you are heading for failure.
  4.  
    Thank you all for your thoughtful and warm replies - I almost felt like you were a group of familiar mates with names like "Steamytea" and "Windy Lamb". It helped us to recover our confidence and we're feeling clearer about how to proceed now. Thanks muchly.
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