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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Jeff B</author>
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			<![CDATA[Interesting to see/read some of the shock/horror initial reactions to the news that Npower gas prices are to rise by about 17% and electricity by 13% with immediate effect. The cost of heating oil has risen by 50% in the last 12 months but as this probably has little effect on the population of the south east of England we don't hear much about that. Can't help feeling that this is just the beginning - peak oil here we come! <br /><br />The annoying thing will be that having spent a fortune on insulation, heat pump, solar panels etc. within a short time the government will be giving away massive subsidies to encourage us all to install them and manufacturers will be turning out such kit at bargain prices. I guess I can console myself with the fact that I have done my bit to save the planet and, the way oil prices are likely to be going, probably enjoyed a more rapid pay-back time than I could ever have dreamed of.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Jeff B</cite>Can't help feeling that this is just the beginning - peak oil here we come!</blockquote>The forthcoming steady climb of fuel prices (some say tenfold in 10 yrs, so e,g. a hotel paying Â£30k pa for fuel today will have to find Â£300k pa by then - many businesses will go under - and a tank of petrol will cost Â£400) is hardly at all to do with either global warming or peak oil (both deniable), but is about China/India's insatiable demand, which the mainstream can't deny.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Nickysells1</author>
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			<![CDATA[fostertom- I Concur.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Jeff B</author>
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			<![CDATA[Oil reserves are finite so surely the insatiable demands of India and China are by definition simply going to cause peak oil to peak even earlier? (assuming they can continue to afford to buy the stuff of course). But I agree with you that some countries economies are going to go to the wall perhaps before then unless someone comes up with some renewable energy alternatives!]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Nickysells1</author>
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			<![CDATA[Fuell cells are waiting in the wings for vehicles, I am sure they are further on than we know(conspiracy theory?<img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title=":wink:" />)]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Jeff B</cite>Oil reserves are finite so surely the insatiable demands of India and China are by definition simply going to cause peak oil to peak even earlier?</blockquote>No - as their demand drives prices up, so existing oil reserves that are presently uneconomic to exploit, become economic. Rising prices may also slow down demand - it's hard to guess. So rising prices postpone peak oil - perhaps much longer than we've been assuming. Basically, all the oil there is is going to be extracted and used (mostly burnt), sooner or later - unless governments decide to stop using it. Neither peak oil nor rising demand/prices will make that decision for us.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Nickysells1</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have a customer who works in the Caspian sea oil fields- he says "no shortage by any stretch of the imagination". Yet again media hype, all helps to panic buying/driving prices up, gosh I feel cynical about the human race!]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>biffvernon</author>
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			<![CDATA[Whose imagination, Nicky?  The Caspian is the last of the big oil provinces and will not be sufficient to make up for the decline in the other important areas - Alsaka, North Sea, Cantarell and Ghawar.   Conventional crude peaked in May 2005 with present total liquids boosted by biofuels.  We're on the plateau now and though there might just possibly be a slight production increase in the next year or two as some new projects come on stream it's then just a question of how steep the depletion curve turns out.  The fact that production costs are around $20 while the price is around Â£100 shows that demand is not being met by increased production but the balance is maintained by high price demand destruction.  With such a gap between cost and price there is every insentive to increase the rate of production but it just can't be done.  The easy oil is gone and the hard stuff takes a lot of effort to suck out slowly.   We are now at the mercy of geology, not Saudi princes.  We don't feel it so much in the rich countries as they do in Africa.  In Senegal they just close the powerstations when the oil bill can't be paid.<br /><br />Fuel cells are just a way of storing and transporting energy - they are not a primary fuel.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Bowman</author>
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			<![CDATA[And oil just hit $100 a barrel...]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Chris Wardle</author>
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			<![CDATA[I would recommend anyone feeling complacent about oil supplies and believing that high prices are some kind of conspiracy between OPEC and Exxon, to have a listen to Matt Simmons:-<br /><br /><a href="http://www.financialsense.com/Experts/2007/Simmons.html" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialsense.com/Experts/2007/Simmons.html</a><br /><br />He knows a thing or two about the oil business.]]>
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