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General: Broseley eVolution 26 - Wood stove - MCS approved!

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    • CommentAuthorscrimper
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2013
     
    Just wondering ... anyone out there got experience of this boiler?

    Was very happy to have found a wood stove that has a fighting chance of qualifying for the RHI payments (yes, I know, if & when etc.) ... and our flue was the right size ... and it looked half decent ...

    But ... I find out it kicks out a massive 10kW to the room, and 16kW to the boiler. Our overall house requirements are probably in the 22-28kW range, so it's great from an overall perspective, but the 10kW to the room will probably mean we are sitting around the kitchen table in our sauna towels.

    So my question is - anyone got any experience of diverting 'room' heat from a stove elsewhere? The engineer at Broseley did say that you might try retro-fitting double glazed glass to the unit - but this sounds tricky & expensive ... and I don't want to be the guinea pig on that experiment ....
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2013
     
    MVHR....? :smile::smile:
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2013
     
    Not cheap!
    You'd get an attack dp for that money and a squirrel thrown in for the living room!
    Daryl is right about the MVHR tho balancing up flue draft and mechanical ventilation seems to be a sticky one..
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2013
     
    Oh and you need an installer who has spent the day in Shrewsbury doing a training day with Broseley. That can only be a good thing, tho can limit your choice of installers and may be reflected in the installation costs :cry:
    • CommentAuthorscrimper
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2013
     
    I guess it's not cheap initially Finny ... but remember that you'll get the RHPP biomass payment of £950 ... plus of course the 7 years of RHI payments too.

    The strange thing is that it is listed with VAT at 20%. I'm already looking forward to the wrangling to try and claw back that extra 15%!
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2013
     
    Only if its a non domestic installation scrimper..
    • CommentAuthorscrimper
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2013
     
    Nope finny. Just confirmed it - as long as the stove has a MCS qualified installation, it will qualify for the £950 payment - and yes, that is a domestic installation. Obviously the ongoing RHI payments are still up in the air. As far as the VAT is concerned, I read this from the HMRC website:

    Installation of any of the following qualifies for the lower rate of VAT:

    controls for central heating and hot water systems
    draught insulation (eg around windows and doors)
    insulation on walls, floors, ceilings, lofts, etc
    solar panels
    wind turbines
    water turbines
    ground-source heat pumps
    air-source heat pumps
    micro combined heat and power units
    wood-fuelled boilers

    So I shall definitely be arguing the case!
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2013
     
    Agreed,
    you will get the RHPP, but I bet you could save that amount by using a non MCS installer..

    As for the domestic RHI..Up in the air.. or dead in the water? Sorry, playing devils advocate, would like nothing better..

    As an installer, I would describe the Broseley evolution as a woodburning stove with backboiler, not a boiler. A boiler would be a metal box in the basement or outbuilding. Like a log boiler.
    But good luck with it anyway.. Let us know how you get on as I guess you could set a precedent?
    • CommentAuthorscrimper
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2013
     
    Well ... it just seems to me that if it passed all the tests to be categorized ok for RHPP, then it definitely falls into the low VAT bracket, but I will happily report back on how I get on. Happy to pretend it's an ugly log boiler and promise not to enjoy its luxurious aesthetics if it helps ...
    • CommentAuthorTimSmall
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2013 edited
     
    MVHR is a poor solution for moving heat around within a building - it just doesn't move enough air to shift many watts around. A dedicated fan system, without heat recovery - just moving air to elsewhere in the house (and back) would be a better bet. Extract the air from the stove-room just above the stove itself...
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2013
     
    Just read HMRC guidance on 5% VAT rate for wood-fuelled boilers. Def says boiler, not stove.:cry:

    Some stoves have heat recovery systems from top of stove, warm air circulation ducted around house from there. I installed a Jotul one in France, no tradition of warm air heating in the UK, too noisy
    • CommentAuthorDandJ
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2013
     
    Scrimper, did you eventually go for the Broseley Evolution 26 as we are looking at it as an option but I have the same reservations as you regarding 10KW to the room and would be interested to know your experience if you have got one. Mind you, looking at the date of your post, if you did have it I done suppose you would have had it fired up over the summer!
    • CommentAuthorscrimper
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2013
     
    Hi D&J ... nope, in the end it was too complicated/expensive to make the pipe run back to the thermal store, so we will be going for a much simpler/smaller one. I did however make contact with a charming lady on another forum who had one and who had nothing but good things to say about it. Said she had it in an 80 cubic metre room and it didn't overpower it at all ... so doubted the figures of 10kw to the room etc.

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