Tue, 09 Jun 2026 12:59:18 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175388#Comment_175388 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175388#Comment_175388 Sat, 04 May 2013 22:30:02 +0100 Nick Parsons https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175412#Comment_175412 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175412#Comment_175412 Sun, 05 May 2013 10:35:10 +0100 Ed Davies
There's somebody in the west of Ireland who deals in such things - reconditions them and repairs the ones which failed but Proven went under before the warranties could be dealt with. Biff on the Navitron forum mentioned them. Sorry, no other details but might give you a hint.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175421#Comment_175421 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175421#Comment_175421 Sun, 05 May 2013 11:44:45 +0100 ferdinand2000
That seems absurd. What is the rationale, I wonder?

I'm a little surprised that it isn't like conservatories, where I can get a nearly new one and a specialist company to fit it off Ebay for about a third of the cost of a new one. Business opportunity?

For almost anything, I have an expectation of 10-20% of the current equivalent new price for secondhand, working, kit, unless there's a special factor making it higher or lower (nearly new, delivered, needs specialist install etc).

If it really can't be used in an FiT setup, then I'd say you have a problem, as your market could be people who want to try it out for the cost of the suggested usual initial monitoring of the site for a year.

Ferdinand]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175426#Comment_175426 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175426#Comment_175426 Sun, 05 May 2013 12:25:40 +0100 windy lamb https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175428#Comment_175428 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175428#Comment_175428 Sun, 05 May 2013 13:10:59 +0100 Ed Davies https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175437#Comment_175437 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175437#Comment_175437 Sun, 05 May 2013 17:04:58 +0100 SteamyTea I could never understand people that fitted PV before FITs not swapping the panels for new ones, getting it signed off and claiming FITs, but I think they would have to pay the grant back.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175447#Comment_175447 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175447#Comment_175447 Sun, 05 May 2013 20:29:29 +0100 windy lamb I think it's all to do with dual funding and the EU = EU rules say that you can't receive more than one subsidy for the same thing. So if you had a grant for a wind turbine then you can't claim the FIT as the grant and FIT are both types of subsidy. You could, however, choose which initial subsidy you claim; claim the biggest!
It also follows that if a turbine was put up with grant aid and the owner then sold the turbine second hand then that turbine couldn't claim the FIT because it had already had a previous subsidy. Makes the market in reconditioned (larger) turbines open to question as presumably you have to verify it hadn't had a previous subsidy if you claim ROC ? Oh and the FIT scheme explicitly said no second hand kit, just in case.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175614#Comment_175614 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175614#Comment_175614 Wed, 08 May 2013 08:45:21 +0100 jms452
I suspect that the adverts were genuine although the logic rather flawed, as I also remember reading that a large wind farm of old lattice tower turbines was being removed due to bird deaths (lattice tower = convenient perch). The bit the blogs missed was that the turbines were being replaced by modern turbines!

I suspect the shipping from the US would be a killer though...

I can probably dig out some references if anyone is interested...]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175615#Comment_175615 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175615#Comment_175615 Wed, 08 May 2013 08:58:14 +0100 jms452
here it is the windfarm in question]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175616#Comment_175616 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175616#Comment_175616 Wed, 08 May 2013 09:01:03 +0100 ted
But there are very few makes/models that are MCS certified in any case, to make them eligible for FiTs.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175619#Comment_175619 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175619#Comment_175619 Wed, 08 May 2013 09:49:19 +0100 renewablejohn
Is that right in respect of importing from Europe. I was told by Ofgem any turbine which had received EU grant could not be reused for Fits. Only way around was to import from non EU countries mainly US and Canada.

If I could get it in writing that it was allowable then I have no problem with second hand and the cost savings are enormous.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175621#Comment_175621 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175621#Comment_175621 Wed, 08 May 2013 09:51:23 +0100 SteamyTea https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175630#Comment_175630 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175630#Comment_175630 Wed, 08 May 2013 12:39:36 +0100 gustyturbine Make sure switch gear etc is compatible with the UK before purchase.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175637#Comment_175637 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175637#Comment_175637 Wed, 08 May 2013 13:06:40 +0100 ted Posted By: renewablejohnTed

Is that right in respect of importing from Europe. I was told by Ofgem any turbine which had received EU grant could not be reused for Fits. Only way around was to import from non EU countries mainly US and Canada.

If I could get it in writing that it was allowable then I have no problem with second hand and the cost savings are enormous.

This is what the legislation says:

(2) The Authority must not accredit an eligible installation as an accredited FIT installation where it has good reason to believe that any generating equipment used at the installation has formed part of an installation previously accredited—
(a)under the ROO; or
(b)under this Part.

The 'under this Part' means the FiT Order. It says nothing about foreign imports - so that is down to OFGEM (mis)interpretation I suggest of this section:

(3) Subject to paragraph (4) and to article 40(3), the Authority must not accredit an eligible installation as an accredited FIT installation unless the FIT generator has given notice to the Authority that—
(a)no grant from public funds has been made in respect of any of the costs of purchasing or installing the installation; or
(b)where any such grant has been made, the grant has been repaid to the person or authority which made it.

Here it depends on how you interpret 'the installation'. It seems clear to me that this is intended to refer to the installation that you are applying for FiTs for and not some other installation in another country. In any case how would you know if a previous owner of the second-hand kit had received any grant from another government or not prior to your ownership of it? You are simply required to make a declaration to that fact.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175800#Comment_175800 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175800#Comment_175800 Fri, 10 May 2013 09:44:42 +0100 windy lamb https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175805#Comment_175805 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175805#Comment_175805 Fri, 10 May 2013 11:43:06 +0100 renewablejohn https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175809#Comment_175809 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175809#Comment_175809 Fri, 10 May 2013 12:18:00 +0100 renewablejohn
Concerned with the express advice of this specialist consultancy firm who are adamant that Fits cannot be claimed on 2nd hand equipment. Love to get 2 x 250kw machines for the price of one but dont really want to come unstuck.

http://www.dartdorset.org/pdf/newton.pdf

Page 17 of the report.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175829#Comment_175829 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10633&Focus=175829#Comment_175829 Fri, 10 May 2013 17:50:03 +0100 ted
Originally DECC did say that 'second-hand equipment' would not be eligible for FiTs but then actually failed to include any such condition in the original legislation. They brought in an amendment in May 2011 to include such provision. The wording I quoted earlier is essentially unchanged from then.

OFGEM have published guidance on exactly what equipment is considered 'used' for this condition which also makes it clear that this only applies to equipment that has been previously accredited for RO or FiT.

http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainability/Environment/fits/Documents1/Generating%20equipment%20decision.pdf]]>