Mon, 01 Jun 2026 04:19:31 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182506#Comment_182506 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182506#Comment_182506 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:31:33 +0100 tony
Wood and biomass is no longer accepted as zero carbon nor is is it sustainable

Then there are the pollution, health and reduced life expectancy issues

http://www.blog.clientearth.org/green-claims-up-in-smoke-as-coal-power-plant-switches-to-wood/

http://www.blog.clientearth.org/public-funding-request-for-unsustainable-biomass-station-dropped/]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182558#Comment_182558 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182558#Comment_182558 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:18:41 +0100 SteamyTea https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182560#Comment_182560 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182560#Comment_182560 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:40:20 +0100 Triassic https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182561#Comment_182561 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182561#Comment_182561 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:01:25 +0100 tony https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182562#Comment_182562 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182562#Comment_182562 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:55:36 +0100 jamesingram https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182566#Comment_182566 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182566#Comment_182566 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:08:10 +0100 tony
It could be done but isn't done properly yet.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182572#Comment_182572 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182572#Comment_182572 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:37:25 +0100 SteamyTea Would CCS have the advantage of catching particulates as well? Or more of them anyway.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182573#Comment_182573 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182573#Comment_182573 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:38:31 +0100 Seret Posted By: tonyWhy are we switching from coal to coal/biomass power stations


Because simply closing all the coal plants immediately isn't an option because the capacity to replace them doesn't exist, and because keeping them running on 100% coal isn't a great idea either. Don't forget we've got a squeeze on nuclear generation, we need to keep some big cheap thermal plants running for now.

It's a stopgap measure Tony, nobody is suggesting it's the way forward long-term.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182574#Comment_182574 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182574#Comment_182574 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:41:44 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: Seretnobody is suggesting it's the way forward long-term.Depends which paper you read

I think that the problem is that it drags out the change over to non thermal (nuclear excepted).]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182575#Comment_182575 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182575#Comment_182575 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:45:31 +0100 Seret https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182586#Comment_182586 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182586#Comment_182586 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:39:35 +0100 fostertom Posted By: TriassicOur local power station, chp plant, will be burning 1/2 million tonnes of household waste, can't get greener than that can you!!!No, that's a v poor practice.
1) Waste is full of toxics that don't get captured but spew into the atmosphere
2) The resultant 'bottom ash' is also toxic and there's a hunt on for old quarries etc it can be dumped into - at least they pretend it's going to be converted at such sites to saleable aggregate, but the market doesn't seem to want that product so 'unfortunately' the ash in fact just gets dumped, at great threat to aquifers and wildlife.
3) Waste burning is just a cheap get-out for councils that can't get organised to recycle their waste. It's ironic that Devon, with exemplary recycling, is neighboured by Plymouth's waste burner, and now Exeter's about to start, and the toxic products are spewed over and dumped in Devon, or maybe trucked all the way to Avonmouth.
4) Waste is too valuable to be burnt - in future as price of all 'virgin' commodities rise, or supplies withheld in economic warfare, we'll be recovering every last scrap of present stock, upgrading back to 'pure' - recycling like we've only scratched the surface so far. Waste should be stockpiled now, for future 'quarrying', not vapourised.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182605#Comment_182605 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182605#Comment_182605 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:56:08 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: fostertomIt's ironic that Devon, with exemplary recycling, is neighboured by Plymouth's waste burner, and now Exeter's about to start, and the toxic products are spewed over and dumped in Devon, or maybe trucked all the way to Avonmouth.
Classic, the two cultural centres are now not in Devon]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182620#Comment_182620 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182620#Comment_182620 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:59:11 +0100 gustyturbine https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182621#Comment_182621 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182621#Comment_182621 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:03:27 +0100 SteamyTea I think the plan is gas and offshore wind (there are two targets to hit, one is reduction and the other is renewables).
Not such a bad medium term plan when coupled with energy reduction and local load shedding.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182642#Comment_182642 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182642#Comment_182642 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:59:57 +0100 fostertom Posted By: SteamyTeathe two cultural centres are now not in DevonAFAIK Exeter still is, nominally, tho it did try to abandon its child.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182643#Comment_182643 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182643#Comment_182643 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:00:49 +0100 fostertom Posted By: SteamyTeawhenyou mean 'if'.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182670#Comment_182670 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182670#Comment_182670 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:04:57 +0100 jms452 Posted By: SteamyTeaNot sure that Hinkley is going to happen any time in the next 20 years.
I think the plan is gas and offshore wind (there are two targets to hit, one is reduction and the other is renewables).
Not such a bad medium term plan when coupled with energy reduction and local load shedding.

There's an acceleration of (big) PV and the tail end of onshore wind too but as you say gas and offshore will end up dominating as they are the most scale-able.

With a bit of luck we'll get Hinkley and some tidal too.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182683#Comment_182683 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182683#Comment_182683 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:30:35 +0100 SteamyTea So even allowing for the 6 or 7 years that Hinkley has been in planning, it is still a long way off, and if we are to become even 20% greener, we probably need 5 or 6 Hinkleys.

Think we can blame our planning system, lack of government support for infrastructure, public apathy, current cheap energy, an 'easy fix' attitude (why lots of people think co-firing is the answer), our national policy on energy really is a shambles. But we will have an election soon, so who know what will be promised for the future.

Off to feed the Unicorn beans now.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182685#Comment_182685 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182685#Comment_182685 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:34:54 +0100 fostertom Posted By: SteamyTeaif we are to become even 20% greener, we probably need 5 or 6 HinkleysPull the other one!]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182687#Comment_182687 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182687#Comment_182687 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:58:44 +0100 skyewright Posted By: SteamyTeaBut we will have an election soon, so who know what will be promised for the future.
Maybe we'll get a "Greenest government ever"?
Hmmm, where have I heard that phrase before... ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182688#Comment_182688 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182688#Comment_182688 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:14:11 +0100 SteamyTea If an MP is arrested should they be allowed to carry on as an MP?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182691#Comment_182691 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11046&Focus=182691#Comment_182691 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:42:13 +0100 fostertom