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General: VAT on scaffolding / waste collection

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    Anyone know the position on these?

    Are these things we
    - ask to be zero rated as services
    - things we can claim back
    - ones we just have to pay the VAT on?
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    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2014
     
    My scaffolder used to charge me materials and labour,

    The last job £150,000 we didn't use any skips or muck away. I made the scaffolders invoice us zero vat for new work and gave them a copy of the planning permission.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2014
     
    Key thing is that it is different for a VAT registered company providing services as opposed to reclaiming VAT as a selfbuilder. If you hire the scaffold and put it up VAT cannot be reclaimed, supplied and fitted (and paid by you and not a sub-contractor) should be Zero rated. Same with plant AIUI.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2014 edited
     
    Talking purely new-build domestic, here's my understanding:

    1. Material incorporated in the house: supplier charges standard rate VAT but it's reclaimable.
    2. Material not incorporated in the house (sandpaper, scaffolding, etc) full rate.
    3. Labour: zero rate, but professional services are full rate unless part of a larger labour job.

    E.g., full rate for architect's services unless they're doing it as part of a design/build contract. Similarly, if the brickie sets out the site as part of building the founds then that's zero rate labour but if you bring in a surveyor to do it they should charge standard rate and you can't reclaim.

    I'd be glad of any corrections to that before I go much further.

    Posted By: borpinIf you hire the scaffold and put it up VAT cannot be reclaimed,
    That's my understanding, too, but:

    supplied and fitted (and paid by you and not a sub-contractor) should be Zero rated.
    I think the labour for fitting should be zero rated, which Simon's link above also says. Also, if it's through a subcontractor then I think it can still be zero rated as long as they put it as a separate item - but not sure of that.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2014
     
    Posted By: Ed Davies
    supplied and fitted (and paid by you and not a sub-contractor) should be Zero rated.
    I think the labour for fitting should be zero rated, which Simon's link above also says. Also, if it's through a subcontractor then I think it can still be zero rated as long as they put it as a separate item - but not sure of that.
    Key thing is supply *and* fit. If the materials are supplied and fitted by a contractor who is VAT registered, it is Zero rated to you (the contractor *must* pay the VAT when he buys it then claim it back or offset it). If the contractor is not VAT registered you must get a VAT invoice for any materials with *your* name on it in order to submit it later under the selfbuild scheme. It is only the contractor you pay who can zero rate.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2014
     
    A lot of them are scared to do it as if it is wrong or part wrong they have to stump up not you.

    I had to insist to my last lot to zero rate it.
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    Zero rate what Tony?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2014
     
    Scaffolding for new build
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    But it sounds as if they are right - based on the above they cannot zero rate the rental of the scaffold. The question then becomes can/should they zero rate the labour or is it something the builder pays and claims back (which is what the linked article suggests but is inconsistent with all other zero rated building labour where you CANNOT claim it back if it has been charged. )

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