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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:47:19 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>ringi</author>
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			<![CDATA[gravel with the plastic honeycomb does give paving that will drain well, it is also a lot less work to install then block paving.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:18:10 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[Yes you can't get gravel wrong when laying it really but think how many times you have seen poorly laid block work, esp after a year....<br /><br />I guess I have 200-250+ m2 of land laid to gravel, Â£3.5k before I start whew]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have to up this thread due to something I saw recently. Step forward Bellway Homes. One energy related, one aesthetic.<br /><br />Energy related - they appear to build chimneys by default.<br /><br />But I thought the most ridiculous thing was aesthetic - they actually built a bricked up window, I assume to make it look like some window-tax effected property. On a four month old house!<br /><br />I suppose you could argue, given it was N facing, that was better for energy saving!]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[actually TBH fake windows and stuff I don't mind if it adds a bit of interest to an otherwise drab building - however I would much rather not have a drab building in the first place..<br /><br />could the chimney be as fake as the window?]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>atomicbisf</author>
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			<![CDATA[In Georgian times they built fake windows to make a facade look regular even if it was not possible to put a window in where one was needed to make the building symmetric a so maybe that was what was going on.]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA[Four windows. Bottom two windows are there, TL window is there, TR is bricked. You can argue that to form the grid the window needs to be there I suppose.<br /><br />Just seems lazy to me. It's not impossible to work out an asymmetric design. Bricking it up is ersatz.]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>atomicbisf</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: gravelld</cite>Four windows. Bottom two windows are there, TL window is there, TR is bricked. You can argue that to form the grid the window needs to be there I suppose.<br /><br />Just seems lazy to me. It's not impossible to work out an asymmetric design. Bricking it up is ersatz.</blockquote><br /><br />Oh yes, it's only necessary for classical designs, which in any case I don't think are appropriate for most new builds.<br /><br />Going back to meters, ours are in a purpose made built in cupboard that was built with the house. Originally both the electricity and gas came up through the concrete floor, but at some point the original gas pipe has been capped off and a new one put through the wall from outside. It seems a better solution than having the meters outside. <br /><br />Ed]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2015 21:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: gravelld</cite>Energy related - they appear to build chimneys by default.</blockquote><br />Thank Prince Charles for that particular energy-carbunkle.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>rhamdu</author>
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			<![CDATA[Chimneys and their associated leadwork keep the roofing trade in business. But with the advent of Freesat, they have become redundant even as TV antenna supports.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[Often if not always they are not only thermal bridges and also act as thermal siphons drawing heated air out of the home.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: tony</cite>Often if not always they are not only thermal bridges and also act as thermal siphons drawing heated air out of the home.</blockquote><br /><br />goes without saying!]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>borpin</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: atomicbisf</cite>In Georgian times they built fake windows to make a facade look regular even if it was not possible to put a window in where one was needed to make the building symmetric a so maybe that was what was going on.</blockquote>In Edinburgh they bricked up windows as there was a 'window' tax!]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>borpin</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hates, little gables at front - expensive to build, weak points for leaks - build it square with simple roofs. Anything that is 'fake'; Georgian, Tudor - the lot - IT'S THE 21ST CENTURY. Bloody planners - lets just build mud huts....]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA[Is it just the UK that has such conservative aesthetic tastes? I find it a bit cringeworthy.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>atomicbisf</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: gravelld</cite>Is it just the UK that has such conservative aesthetic tastes? I find it a bit cringeworthy.</blockquote><br /><br />I think the UK has very conservative aesthetic tastes, compared with other countries, and has for a long time. Think of all the mock-tudor houses of the 1930s when cutting-edge architecture involved geometric shapes in concrete etc.<br /><br />Ed]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[Other contries have popular (almost de rigeur, as in UK) conservative preferences for stylistic necessities, usually distorted and crudified from the 'original', just as in UK - we Brits maybe don't recognise them as such, when abroad, because they look so alien to the ideas of 'trad' in our culture.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>bot de paille</author>
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			<![CDATA[My absolute pet peeve in this game is having to deal with the planning laws.  For the reasons mentioned above by Fostertom.  Though I generally do agree with the aspects of local planning that deal with infrastructure,  the "aesthetics" guidelines are a joke generally.  Some committee somewhere has decided what the "correct" vernacular is, and that we must never stray outside of it, for who are we to know differently. Until of course the next  committee decides to change what the "real" proper vernacular should be.... <br /><br /><br /> Regions like Brittany are the worst for this,  where they have decided that EVERY SINGLE BUILDING MUST BE WHITE (with a black roof). I like Brittany but have to turn that part of my brain off whenever I am visiting.  Certainly couldn't work there under such architecturally fascist restrictions :) <br /><br />And just to put this into a context outside of a rant,  I certainly believe that these anaemic planning laws have a negative impact on implementing low energy building design.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA[The control over glazing always seems bizarre. How different does a 2G window look externally, really? I suppose some really special window designs can't accommodate it, but I hear it applied to quite normal 1G windows.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>beelbeebub</author>
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			<![CDATA[Regarding putting chimneys in new houses, a new development near me, built in a mock 30's arts and crafts style, i.e. mock tudor, had fibre glass fake chimneys!<br /><br />They arrived on pallets with pre installed lead flashing and were nailed onto the roof battens by the roofers, then tiled around.<br /><br />To be fair, although i don't like "fake" stuff on buildings, these were a good idea.<br /><br />-quick to go up, took about half an hour.<br />-no air leaks <br />-looks like the real thing from ground level<br /><br />The only issue i could think of was the fibre glass "bricks" pattern would age differently from tne real bricks of the house (at the mo they match).  But in 25 years time if they look crappy, it'll be a doddle to remove and tile over.<br /><br />If a planner insisted on a chimney to look right, i'd use these!]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[I made the stone pillars out of GRP for the Heathrow Excelsior Hotel back in the 1980's, apparently they still look good.<br />I often wonder why we don't use GRP more on buildings, it has a lot going for it.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>bot de paille</author>
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			<![CDATA[I guess PVC is used when needed,  cheaper than GRP.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Material costs are about the same, tooling is more expensive for PVC, but then labour becomes cheaper.<br />Different when you are customising things though.]]>
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