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    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Washing lines are so green that it surprises me that there is so much resistance to using them.

    They dry clothes free! Indeed is there anything greener?
    There was an attempt to make it fashionable a couple of years ago 'Peggging out' they called it.

    To some it's considered an effort putting clothes on a line, but that would be by those type of people that consider placing dirty clothes inside a machine and pushing a button, then removing them an hour or so later and placing them in another and pushing a button work
    Yes even on a dull damp day if there's a bit of of a slight breeze it's worth putting the washing out.

    Best thing is not to own a tumble dryer then you realise that they are pointless , much like a dishwasher
    Though a washing machine is great labour saving invention.
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Best energy saving I have made. Cost £2, 9 years ago. I have bought a new set of pegs from the 99pPoundlandshop.

    I think there are two resistances to it, one is that weather can be fickle and the other is that obese people may be embarrassed to hang their grits up.
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Most recently built property doesn't have space for one.

    They're eyesores.

    By and large they don't work for 3 months of the year.

    As Steamy says, you have to watch the weather. Spend 10 minutes hanging the washing out in what seems like a break only to find the rain starts 5 minutes later, so you rush out to spend 10 minutes getting the washing in and get soaked in the process.

    If the wind gets up, you can find your clean clothes distributed round the garden.

    Birds and flies.

    Looking at it, I can quite see why the 99% of the population who aren't eco warriors would spend 10-20p to dry their washing in a tumble drier.

    (We do use a line if conditions are suitable.)
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Ours blew down a few days ago! Useless Vileda thing has a separate pole that goes into the concrete base, it bent at the crimp that attaches to the main shaft. Designed to fail!

    So reccos for a stronger rotary washing line are welcomed.
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    I just nailed a plank to the fence post.:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorsnyggapa
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    we use an outside line normally, but find that in the event of bad weather (and we live on a fen ,where the air is remarkably damp a lot of the time) the MVHR we have in the house means that any wet clothes hung up indoors are pretty much dry overnight

    we have a couple of "over bath" airers that look like this


    that's pretty much the only thing the bath is used for...
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Great... if you've got an MVHR outlet above ;)
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    The British weather is a fickle mistress so most of us need a plan B. Had a quick look at a local weather station which suggests there are many days that outside drying is going to be problematic http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Princetown/statistics.html
    I know last year a near by weather station recorded 100 consecutive days with precipitation. You don't just need dry weather you need it forecast as well.

    Our plan B is cloths hung up inside and a dehumidifier run during the day when the PV can normally cover it's load. If weather is warm open windows and don't bother with dehumidifier.
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Posted By: gravelldSo reccos for a stronger rotary washing line are welcomed.

    Never had any trouble with the Brabantia ones.

    SWMBO always puts clothes outside to 'air' them even if it's only for a few minutes. I'm planning a Sheila's Maid in the bathroom and hope to convince her to use it.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    Yes, I suggested that particular manufacturer although SWMBO is often rightly hesitant to go for the "name" and went to Argos instead. Needless to say, I had the last laugh.

    We are by no means on a cliff edge but we get the odd strong wind.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    Posted By: djhI'm planning a Sheila's Maid
    We have a rotary line and a Sheila's Maid, so plan A is put cloths on the line or if its raining plan B is to put them on the Sheila's maid in the kitchen. When all else fails we have tumble dryer.
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    • CommentAuthortorrent99
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    I'm currently experimenting with hanging clothes in my garage. They don't dry as quick as in the real outside, but at least they are not adding to the condensation in the flat.

    One gadget I think that the general populous has mostly forgotten about is the spin dryer. OK they don't get clothese completely dry, but they are better than a washing machine and don't expend the same sort of energy as a normal dryer. Plus they are great for assisting in hand washing. Currently without one at the moment, but I keep looking out on Freecycle....
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    my washing lines a bit of old single core 2.5mm wire between a post and the house.
    I'd say it no more of an eyesore than the house itself
    No ecoworrier round my way just average people with washing lines and common sense
    Recently built home are a rare thing, a huge minority of UK properties and even then many have space for
    a line , retractable perhaps for the esthetically particular .

    How about doing the washing when the weather looks good , that helps a bit , Yes there are times when its wet
    and you dry clothes inside. I use the dehumidifer - PV technique myself .

    Households 'wasting £120m' using tumble-dryers in summer

    a well performing A+ tumble dryer claims to use 300kwh/year
    average medium size home use 3200kwh/year so 9-10% of consumption
    so 9-10% of electric bills for those people worried about rising energy cost and bills
    Can we also presume that UK domestic electricity use would fall by 5% if people abandoned tumble dryers?
    >50% percentage of the population use them

    Out of all the new wet appliances in UK between 1990-2014 tumble drying is the only one that's increase in average energy use, all other have fallen
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    Posted By: SteamyTeaBeau
    I get 151 'rain days' a year.
    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gbujwtyv1" rel="nofollow" >http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gbujwtyv1

    Hats off to you ST.

    I know it's probably not the right attitude but I simply can't be ar$ed with drying clothes outside through the winter months. Life is too short. I do work from home a lot so don't have that excuse.

    Take the last two days.
    Yesterday forecast is bad until lunch then clearing. So going on that put cloths at lunch and take in at dusk. Reality is rain cleared early but then have late afternoon shower. Result would be wet cloths.

    Today forecast is for rain coming in by lunch. So hang clothes out first thing and get in at lunch. Reality is close but we get mid morning shower. Result wet cloths.

    Happy to use a line when we have some stable weather :bigsmile:
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    I have the advantage that I look out the back and can see my washing getting wet.
    I agree that it is impractical for a lot of people, but the default position of just using the tumble dryer is the wrong one.
    When it is wet, and it is almost half the year here (August seems particularly bad), I put my stuff on hangers, hang them from the curtain rail and open the window as much as I dare. Pretty easy to do that is.

    Now what about ironing, is it necessary?
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    nope, never done it, never will
    lot of Mod-cons are just cons
    so ST 5% UK domestic electrical energy consumption down to the superfluous tumble dryer, taking it a bit far do you think.
    (see previous post)
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Posted By: tonyWashing lines are so green that it surprises me that there is so much resistance to using them.

    Because "green" comes way down many people's list of priorities Tony. My wife hates using the washing line, and will always stick things in the dryer even in summer. Drives me mental. I suspect it's a ploy to get me to do the washing, as I often take it outside before she can stick it in the dryer.

    Basically for green to be popular it has to be even easier than the laziest possible alternative.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    I would have thought or save money? May be are all too rich?
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    Depends what your time is worth.

    Read somewhere that it costs about 60p per load with a tumble drier. For example I charge £18 an hour for furniture making so 2 mins to cover the cost of hassle free drying. Bet it takes longer than 2 mins to hang washing on a line and peg. Only playing Devils advocate and don't own a tumble drier but it's hard to make it add up financially.
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Posted By: jamesingramso ST 5% UK domestic electrical energy consumption down to the superfluous tumble dryer, taking it a bit far do you think.
    Not sure what you mean James.
    But if I used my tumbler, a nice condensing one built into the washer, then I would use an extra 3 kWh/Week, or just under 5% of my energy usage.
    You get Code For Sustainable Homes points in a new build for having a tumble dryer AND a washing line. Seems bonkers to me, you should get more points if you don't install a tumble dryer!
    My point was that tumble dryers may well be responsible for 5% of all domestic electrical use.
    And as many (slightly<50% UK households) live perfectly fulfilled lives without them, that a good chunk
    overall energy demand removed if we ban them as from today.
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Does anybody here have a sheltered outdoor area where washing can be dried, logs can be stored, and bikes won't go quite as rusty as out in the rain?

    I am NOT going to call it a car port.
    OK - call it a garage instead!!!

    Joking aside - we had such an area in our last house in the UK, washing dried enough even when it was raining. It worked fine until we incorporated it into the house and called it a kitchen
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015 edited
    My house will have a porch/greenhouse on the west end (about 6 × 3 m plus a bit as it's an A-frame) for various uses including drying washing. Lots of twin-wall polycarbonate to be on the south side.

    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2015
    Some friends of ours have a patio with a polycarbonate roof over (like a carport). They use it as a place to hang clothes. They say it works well when it rains and my wife likes the idea. I just hope that my plan works well enough that I don't have to build something so ugly.
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