Wed, 23 Sep 2026 01:07:18 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233986#Comment_233986 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233986#Comment_233986 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:14:41 +0000 vord
I bought a run down pub with planning for residential use. Being a tenanted building it has been neglected for a long time. Neglect is brilliant - it still mostly has original windows, lime mortar and plaster.

I hadn't really planned on 'doing it up' as it's a lot better and cheaper to run than the rented place I lived in before, but Part L1b for change of use is a good motivator to insulate. 300mm of insulation in the loft and 150mm Celotex around the attic make an enormous difference. I'm planning to fit pretty carpenter made secondary glazing rather than the aluminium stuff next year (once I've figured out the seals). Internal wall insulation should go in next year too. I've already run out of money.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233987#Comment_233987 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233987#Comment_233987 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:19:33 +0000 Triassic
It's probably good that you have limited cash as it stops you throwing it at the first solution that comes along and makes you look for the 'best bang for your buck'. Why don't you do the secondary glazing and internal insulation yourself, many here have done it before, so If you get stuck or want help, just ask.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233988#Comment_233988 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233988#Comment_233988 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:40:46 +0000 vord
I have a rough design for the secondary glazing using glass with magnetic strips that push up into a tall moulding at the top then drop a little into a shallow moulding at the bottom so the glass can't fall out by itself. I've not figured out which seals to use yet. On the front of the glass further profiles will be attached over the joins in the glass by magnetic strips to replicate the original frames and make it look pretty. I don't think it will cost much and I didn't like the aluminium frames secondary glazing at all.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233989#Comment_233989 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233989#Comment_233989 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:55:56 +0000 DarylP https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233991#Comment_233991 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233991#Comment_233991 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:13:25 +0000 vord
It could seem somewhat annoying as I didn't really want to gut the place, and I feel throwing perfectly good stuff away (especially the water stuff) is far from green, but the place cost less than the value of the land it sits on and part L1b is an awfully good prompt to make me get on with insulation.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233994#Comment_233994 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233994#Comment_233994 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:41:17 +0000 Triassic Posted By: vordI feel throwing perfectly good stuff away (especially the water stuff) is far from green, What's the problem with the water stuff? Can you not recycle and reuse some of it?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233995#Comment_233995 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233995#Comment_233995 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:55:15 +0000 vord
Fortunately the calcs are silly in more ways than that. I tried adding a urinal into the calcs with a sensible flush system and it reduced calculated water usage. I have 3 in a row in the gents so added them all in and building regs are now happy with the water usage calcs.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233996#Comment_233996 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233996#Comment_233996 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:17:03 +0000 Ed Davies https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233998#Comment_233998 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=233998#Comment_233998 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:30:21 +0000 Triassic Posted By: vordI tried adding a urinal into the calcs with a sensible flush system and it reduced calculated water usage. I have 3 in a row in the gents so added them all in and building regs are now happy with the water usage calcs. This sounds like an interesting conversion, what was the place originally?

+1 on flow limiters.

Fit service valves under each sink and close them unit you meet the flow requirements.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234005#Comment_234005 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234005#Comment_234005 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:37:27 +0000 Nick Parsons https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234013#Comment_234013 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234013#Comment_234013 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:37:54 +0000 vord
Mind you, secondhand taps from eBay that don't meet the regs are a lot cheaper than new ones and they often come with a nice bath or basin attached.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234015#Comment_234015 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234015#Comment_234015 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:16:15 +0000 DarylP .. most suppliers/mfrs are not aware of 'Reg 36' Water Efficiency Calcs (WECs) requirements.
However, there are NO maximum/minimum flow rates, the WECs allow for a 'trade-off' across the installation.
Cheers]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234020#Comment_234020 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234020#Comment_234020 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:07:41 +0000 djh Posted By: vordIt surprised me that the 6L/min requirement doesn't seem to be mainstream for new taps and fittings
A lot of taps nowadays are designed so you can simply screw a flow limiter on the end of the tap, so the manufacturer doesn't have to care what flow rate you need. But as others have said, you can just put one in the tail of any tap instead.

The water calc is the most seriously stupid piece of paper pushing I had to deal with, and I would cheerfully kill whoever wrote the regs.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234023#Comment_234023 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234023#Comment_234023 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:15:36 +0000 DarylP ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234043#Comment_234043 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13904&Focus=234043#Comment_234043 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:29:23 +0000 djh