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    • CommentAuthorJSC
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2016
     
    I am just getting quotes together for new windows, and just wondered if/why people choose to have their windows fitted, or fitted their windows themselves.

    I did not think that this part of the build would be so fiddly, especially when there seem to be mfrs that give you 1yr warranty, but 10 years if fitted by them (for £200/window, of course!).

    N.B I am looking at timber casement, so pretty simple, operationally/structurally.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2016 edited
     
    I did not see *ME* building two of these...

    (... even With A Little Help From My Friends...)

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    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2016
     
    Fitted all of mine myself.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2016
     
    JSC, unless you are on v good terms with your installers, you will not get as good a job as DIY, sorry!
    They do not have your priorities, or time.
    Unless you can specify Iso-Bloco (or similar) , low-ex foam, & air-tightness target (before/after), then you will be better off doing a good job yourself.
    Good luck...:smile:
    • CommentAuthorvord
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2016
     
    I'm planning to fit some new wooden sash windows myself this year. The carpenter who is making them is brilliant but he is from up north and doesn't like to spend too much time away from his family so he won't want to stick around and fit them.

    If you can do better than squirty foam then go for it.
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    I have fitted my own ones too. Try and add air tight tape to the back of the frame and seal below plaster in the reveal, gets a better seal then just foam, but that too.
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    Having watched my builders (not the window suppliers) install the windows it looks like a fairly straightforward job. As some others have said above if you do it yourself and take your time then the airtightness is likely to be a lot better.

    Two things which would make me nervous about doing it myself / DIY:
    1. I'm fearful I'd get the measuring up wrong and order windows that don't fit. This problem could be avoided if you get the suppliers to come any measure.
    2. Having the muscle to get the windows into place. Some of my bigger windows / sliding doors had five or six people lifting them. I'd never have got them installed DIY
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    Fitted all my windows direct into stone mullions last year. Have 5 extra windows thanks to supplier not being able to use a tape measure thankfully at his cost.
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2016
     
    It ain't rocket science.

    Measuring wise, you have to decide how they are going to be installed. Normally a window will be in check on at least 3/4 edges and 1/2 faces but you can fall into the trap of not allowing clearance to make it possible to slide the frame behind the plaster line or a stone surround......A manufacturer is unlikely to care too much, rehearsing the scenario in your head and with rods cut to width and length makes more sense.

    But what about FENSA?
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    +1 for DIY from me. Did some of mine alone, had an extra pair of hands for the bigger windows and the window makers did the 3m wide French door things.
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    ''But what about FENSA?''

    You don't need FENSA if you go through normal Building Regs channels.

    One thing to take account of is that (where I live anyway) a Building Notice for windows covers up to 12 windows. If, like me, you are doing window replacement on a very slow cycle, you may have the irritation of paying £150 every time you do 1 or 2 windows. Save them up, if you can!!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    Posted By: JSCI am just getting quotes together for new windows, and just wondered if/why people choose to have their windows fitted, or fitted their windows themselves.

    We did it ourselves, or rather we didn't use the installers the window company recommended. I phoned up to check how airtightness details would be handled and wasn't impressed by the attitude. So we did it ourselves, but we were lucky there happened to be some extra people on site on the day because the windows are very heavy. I think the largest was 160 kg - get the supplier to list the weights. There were a couple of mistakes with levelling, but we managed to sort those out eventually.

    If I was doing it again, I would try to find a professional window installer with provable experience of the type of windows and build, and take up references. But you can do it yourself.
    • CommentAuthorJSC
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    Thanks all. Looks like the DIY route, certainly not something I'm afraid of doing. All will be done via building regs.

    Anyone have issues getting the windows adjusted/sealed correctly after installation?

    Have a bifold going in, but have read problems of them being fiddly to align (and heavy!) so the supplier will be fitting those for sure!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    Measure diagonals, ensure level and plumb AND use two cross diagonal strings packed off the corners say 15mm if pos and ensure that the just touch in the middle, only just then fix the last primary screw.
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    Posted By: richardelliotI'm fearful I'd get the measuring up wrong and order windows that don't fit. This problem could be avoided if you get the suppliers to come any measure.


    Many suppliers will cater for massive tolerances when it comes to measuring. Then when it come to installation, the big gaps around the frame are covered up by bits of PVC that are leakier than a sieve. That's what seems to have happened in the house I'm in anyway. More frame than glass!!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    I ordered windows 30mm bigger than openings and fitted them behind brick cladding

    It then becomes non crucial

    If you get sizes wrong it is not difficult to alter openings.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    Posted By: tonyIf you get sizes wrong it is not difficult to alter openings.

    That depends on the construction technology. In particular, making a floor to ceiling window too high can be a problem.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    Splayed head up into the cavity?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2016
     
    Posted By: tonySplayed head up into the cavity?

    What cavity?

    You're assuming construction technology again.
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    Posted By: kentishgreenMany suppliers will cater for massive tolerances when it comes to measuring. Then when it come to installation, the big gaps around the frame are covered up by bits of PVC that are leakier than a sieve. That's what seems to have happened in the house I'm in anyway. More frame than glass!!

    Perhaps they'd not come across (or didn't choose to use) 'knock-ons', i.e. multi-chamber PVC mouldings, same width as the uPVC frame, available in various depths, that 'knock-on' to the tracks that run around the main uPVC frames.

    I'm not sure if they are considered "good practice" (I'm just an amateur who's watched a an experienced fitter at work), but they seem a whole lot better than a few bits of PVC trim...
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2025
     
    Hi, After advice on installing windows in the best way for fairly standard property as "best as possible".
    I cannot start a new discussion - so as I work around I will post here.

    Having trouble posting this is about 3rd go. I am trying to improve thermal performance of the mostly 1950s house. Triple glazed UPVC being installed. (as rooms used frequently) all across back of house. The rest of the house is UPVC and they are no where near needing replacement. (23 years old)

    Taking out patio doors and moving to single door and windows for warmth and better view of garden.
    Walls are brick with cavity and blown and newer part 65mm cavity bats brick and block

    I am finally doing a lot of changes to the house. Installing some new window openings and changing some others.
    a) best cavity closures and how to fit and seal.
    b)Is it worth using TP 654 compraband tape - would stick to frames before fitting
    c) I am assuming air tightness tape is only for next level of air tightness and it would not be worth it for me ?
    d) can kingspan be put in cavity to beef up insulation behind the cavity closure - some DPC used on outer bricks ?
    e)Do I install them partly into the cavity ?

    Thanks in advance
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2025
     
    Posted By: LFc) I am assuming air tightness tape is only for next level of air tightness and it would not be worth it for me ?
    That depends on what your plans are in future. But putting some airtightness tape around the windows now in case you need it in future is a lot simpler than hacking back plaster or whatever later, I suspect. You don't need both Compriband and airtightness tape.
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    Posted By: djhputting some airtightness tape around the windows now in case you need it in future is a lot simpler than hacking back plaster or whatever later,


    +1

    We let the installers do ours including external seals etc. (to get the warranty), but then I went around and taped the inside with pro-clima. It was really straightforward to do and the tape costs something like £1 per metre, which in the grand scheme of things is nothing really.

    Always worth getting the easy wins on airtightness even if you aren't targeting super low performance - it's just one less place to feel a draught!
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2025
     
    Thanks chaps. I will be adding tape.
    Also going to add some pir to the reveals.
    It is very sad how difficult it is to install windows thermally efficiently.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2025
     
    Posted By: LFIt is very sad how difficult it is to install windows thermally efficiently.
    I don't think it is particularly difficult, but it is quite complicated, especially when normal practice is different. But if you understand what you want and any helpers are willing to follow your directions, it's not too bad. Good luck!
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2025
     
    Thanks djh,

    I am installing straddling cavity and with all best sealing including air tightness tape

    For cavity wall that is being built in converting patio door to window, if we have blown rockwool (i guess) currently, for new parts or brickwork what is best I can do with say 2inch cavity ?

    I am going to dig down and clear out the cavity in the footings too below damp proof course. Can beads be put down there ?

    Also looking to put EPS on outside of footings as we have solid floors that I cannot take them up. About 6 m strip of wall in all. - I will try to raise a new thread or contact admin ...

    Anyway

    I am talking to window supplier about thermally efficient install and have located clips for installation. It is more than 8 weeks away. I have located this drawing.

    As we will be altering brickwork, I am thinking a say 25 mm layer of PIR around the reveal on inside too,

    Only downside to putting window straddling the cavity seems to be if ever removing then the get to clips, then need to take out sills and replaster etc. They will see me out ... and we have chosen carefully.

    I will get some sketches drawn up to get some advice from the group when I get a chance.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2025
     
    I always install my own windows, air sealing issues, support/airtightness of the sill.

    Thermal bridging
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