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  1.  
    La Nordica(various permutations) or Lohberger(2 choices) or Clearview(1 of) or Nectre Baker, or what have we missed?
    Regards
    Marcus
  2.  
    Bump!
    PS
    No neighbours to annoy with the smoke, but no smoke anyway since only burning bone dry conifer, discharging flue gases through a 10/11 m tall flue.
    Having been running a 8kW rated Morso for 25 years, which is still going strong and will be retained.
    Like the idea of an oven or hob, and guess-tim-ating about 5-7-10kW output.
    I can adjust the fuel loading to modulate heat output.
    regards
    marcus
  3.  
    Personally I would go for the Lohberger
  4.  
    rnj
    Erm, actually, since we got a brand new AGA, from 20 years ago, a factory spec wick-fed oil burner, with only about 10 years use, before oil prices went daft.
    Could it be converted to wood burning, since I guess the basic architecture should still be that of a solid fuel appliance (albeit based on coal/coke)
    But we should not require a large heat output.
    Now that oil is cheap again.
    Counter-intuitive, or what!
    Marcus
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2016 edited
     
    We have a Clearview Solution 400 and a Bodart & Gonay insert. Both burn same wood. The Clearview lives up to it's name and the glass stays cleaner much longer than the B&G. You can also turn the air right down on the Clearview so you get fantastic lazy flames.

    Note: Some stoves sold for smokeless zones have a stop which prevents the air being shut down so far. This can cause them to blaze away a bit too fast once the fire is burning properly. If possible get the standard version and make sure to keep the air open enough so it doesn't smoke during start up.
  5.  
    Well I took a look at the AGA yesterday evening, quite impractical to convert to a wood burner, despite any reasonable skills with an angle grinder welder etc.
    SM=Senior Managment has decided a 3rd Morso 2110 will do rightly, one being currently available locally brand new for £650.00,
    though I could fancy a change to a Lohberger or Clearview.
    Kinda like the Baker from Australia too.
    Anyway, currently foccussed on finalzing doors and windows, having recieved a surprisingly competitive quote for Apeer's Glassfibre Lumi range, and having gone off the Aluminium, (except for the curtain walling to the front) so prob hardwood( from a local joinery shop fabricated from Iroko) or the Lumi product, for the Garden Room.
    Regards
    m
  6.  
    Posted By: orangemannotrnj
    Erm, actually, since we got a brand new AGA, from 20 years ago, a factory spec wick-fed oil burner, with only about 10 years use, before oil prices went daft.
    Could it be converted to wood burning, since I guess the basic architecture should still be that of a solid fuel appliance (albeit based on coal/coke)
    But we should not require a large heat output.
    Now that oil is cheap again.
    Counter-intuitive, or what!
    Marcus


    We acquired a 4 oven AGA when we bought the house together with oil fired central heating. At 8p a ltr we could just afford the 9000 ltrs per year we where using but when oil shot up to 28p it was time to ditch the oil and convert to wood. Sold the Aga for £800 and put it towards an Esse which was new to the market and promised to do cooking DHW and central heating. It failed miserably and now only does cooking and DHW with central heating now done with a Dunsley Yorkshire. Long term aim is to replace the Esse with a Lohberger. As for your question we where advised to trade in rather than try and convert as there was a good secondhand market for used Agas even in duck egg blue which the better half detested. (Now bright red)
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2016
     
    Oil wick Agas are horrifically inefficient, something like 50-55%. Doesn't matter what price oil is at that level, for me.
  7.  
    cheers John,
    we are off to the plan-to-build show on Sat or Sun at CAFRE, Antrim, to see whats new!
    And take a v close look at the Lumi windows on their stand.
    regards
    m
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2016
     
    Do any of these have induction hobs?

    Do they work on radiant cooking basis?
  8.  
    Posted By: gravelldDo any of these have induction hobs?

    Do they work on radiant cooking basis?


    We put in an electric oven and induction hob as well but never use it as the range is always hot ready to cook. Its all radiant heat so cakes and meringues cook really well.
  9.  
    In reply to gravelld as above re 50% efficiency for wick burners
    I did comment elsewhere that it was perhaps a pity AGA did not invest in integrating a Timken wall-flame type burner unit instead of the somewhat crude wick system.
    Totally silent in operation, and as I understand reasonably efficient.
    We had one for our first central heating boiler in about 1970, which my father installed and really rated, until he could no longer get parts.
    Still got the "tub" about somewhere.
    cheers
    m
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2016
     
    Is that the same as a "jet" flame, there are conversion kits about for that, but at £2kish seem pretty pointless.

    @renewablejohn are you talking about adding electric ovens/hobs to the esse? Which model is this? Wasn't aware you could do it with Esse.
  10.  
    Posted By: orangemannotrecieved a surprisingly competitive quote for Apeer's Glassfibre Lumi range, and having gone off the Aluminium
    Why gone off alu, unless in comparison with glassfibre? Be interested to know
  11.  
    Posted By: gravelldIs that the same as a "jet" flame, there are conversion kits about for that, but at £2kish seem pretty pointless.

    @renewablejohn are you talking about adding electric ovens/hobs to the esse? Which model is this? Wasn't aware you could do it with Esse.


    No totally independent of the Esse. Was thinking we would not light Esse in the middle of summer and use electric instead. Has never happened so far but when PV goes in I can see us only using the Esse in the winter months.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2016
     
    Oh right. What I was looking for was something looking sleek and integrated.
  12.  
    Gotanew life
    (i) Triple glazed with a whole window "u" value of 0.8 or thereabouts, for the same price as the more expensive DG alum quote, astoundingly heavily constructed and hinged.
    (ii) Senior Managment instantly fell in love with them.
    Which is absolutly atypical of er indoors, to take any intrest in building products.
    and, I suppose, not least, supporting a bone-fide local NI/Ballymena company.
    Same firm as has quote for the Lumi windows will also quote for Shuco Alum for the sliding door and curtain walling.
    PS
    The Lumi trifold/bifold door to span a 3.0m gap
    was
    gulp
    £7,000.00
    the windows are MUCH cheaper.
    Hence the quote for the Shuco sliding door.
  13.  
    rnj
    Timken Wall flame was NOT pressure jet, a rotating nozzle spewed the oil around the inside of a circular drum, said drum being a double skinned water jacket, totally silent with very few "works".
    A few guys in the USA are still running them, cos they figger there is nowt to touch them.
    m
  14.  
    Back on the stove topic, went up to Antrim yesterday to look at a Clearview Pioneer Oven, very very impressed with its clean burning, i.e. spotless glass.
    So that decision has been made.
    Since this building products exhibition was aimed at self-builders, a sector very well represented in N Ireland, and outside of Belfast therefore less tacky side-show DG Snake oil type salespersons were present, I also took a long hard look at the various window options, and formed an opinion.
    (i) uPVC is still reasonably represented in this market.
    but
    (ii) Timber, in an engineered form, has made a real resurgence, especially if Aluminium faced.
    This engineered timber construction I really like, because, nice and all as the Lumi product is?
    The fiberglass/GRP construction is a relatively "unknowable" technology, plus the car windscreen type bonded outer pane of glass in the Lumi product, makes re-glazing a more difficult and specialist operation, however unlikely.
    regards
    m
  15.  
    Or you could go totally frameless with 3g glass straight into stone mullions linked to a MHVR system.
  16.  
    RNJ.
    Not appropriate since tubular hot dipped galvanised framework already in place, which I understand the installed window frames will directly abut.
    Though, I absolutely appreciate the architectural integrity and downright beauty of such a juxtaposition of the old with new approach.
    I have a price coming, from an outstanding local joinery shop, for Iroko frames, but I perhaps have concerns in respect of the installation of the double glazed, or indeed perhaps triple glazed units into these frames, and the possibility of an arguable responsibility (i.e is it due to the frames or the glazing units)in respect of any possible failures.
    Am I being paranoid?
    regards
    marcus
  17.  
    Posted By: orangemannotlocal joinery shop
    I have some considerable concern over buying wood windows from a local joinery shop - I just don't see how they can possibly be as good as buying them from a company who just makes windows/doors from wood. It is real specialist art, with weather seals, airtightness, hinges/metalwork, expansion/warping and testing I wouldn't want to buy from anyone for whom it wasn't their full time job.
  18.  
    Gotanewlife
    Exactly my poorly articulated point.
    much better expressed.
    thanks,
    Marcus
  19.  
    I was agreeing with/reassuring you that you were not being paranoid - but I should have said so - so not so well articulated after all. Funnily enough the one aspect I wouldn't be concerned about is the one specific point you make about installing the DG into the unit; having done it myself there is not too much too it.
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