Green Building Forum - EU:- in or out?

EU:- in or out?

SteamyTea — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:03:24 +0100

I have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.

Is this forum now closed?

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bot de paille — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:04:48 +0100

Posted By: djhBot, do you have any other independent articles confirming what that one says? I can't find any record of Boris Johnson making such a statement, nor do I imagine the British government will be doing much of anything in the next few days and in particular I doubt it will be signing anything on 8 June - the day of our election.

I found lots of links to Johnsons making these statements over a European army HQ in Brussels,here are just a few. Over the next couple of years the EU army will be introduced.

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-uk-wont-stand-in-way-of-eu-defence-co-operation-10879025
Boris Johnson has denied claims Britain is seeking to block closer EU military co-operation despite reports of a row.
The Foreign Secretary insisted the UK is "not going to stand in their way" as EU member states prepared to discuss moves to enhance the bloc's collaboration on defence.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/804722/European-Union-Boris-Johnson-Britain-EU-army-military-headquarters
We won't stand in their way' Boris says Britain won't block EU plan for own military HQ
BORIS Johnson this morning indicated that Britain will not seek to block Brusselsâ€™ plans to establish its own military headquarters despite the Governmentâ€™s previous resistance to the idea of an EU army.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4506930/UK-not-stand-way-closer-EU-defence-links-says-Boris-Johnson.html
Britain will NOT stand in the way of a military headquarters for the EU, says Boris Johnson as he urges the bloc to spend more on defence

http://zeenews.india.com/world/boris-johnson-plays-differences-with-eu-over-military-ambitions-2005429.html
Boris Johnson plays differences with EU over military ambitions
"If they want to come together... with other arrangements, then we don`t want to stand in their way. We just (need to) work on the language to make sure that we get it totally right," he said.

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bot de paille — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:06:39 +0100

Posted By: SteamyTeaI have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.

Is this forum now closed?

Everyone is more occupied with the vastly more important issue of how Trump misspells a word on Twitter.

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owlman — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:50:15 +0100

Posted By: SteamyTeaI have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.

Is this forum now closed?

I guess everything has a shelf life, or maybe they are all busy and totally gripped with election fever.

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skyewright — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:59:29 +0100

Posted By: SteamyTeaI have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.
Is this forum now closed?

Or maybe the weather is favourable & all the do-ers are out do-ing (& the thinkers are out surfing/climbing/gardening/insert activity of your choice)?

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Gotanewlife — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:23:38 +0100

Posted By: skyewrightinsert activity of your choice)?

Up at 4.30 am, drove landy with team and launched and then recovered 18 person ballon, on to client for pool clean and lawn cut, onto another client to finish painting a room, now it is 4pm and I am off to bed because have to do ballooning again tomorrow - all good pocket money, should have enough for another room any time soon.

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gyrogear — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:41:36 +0100

Posted By: skyewrightinsert activity of your choice

got up at 7:00 to feed animals
made O-H breakfast in bed
ate four weetabix
opened gate for arriving electrician
made some coffee and kipped on the sofa until electrician started punching big holes in garage structure
fired up PC and saw no activity on GBF
cleaned up work dir on c:\
took electrician a bottle of water (it's hot out here, Mam...)
faffed around until electrician called me down
underwent New Garage Door training
electrician left
ate lunch (sausages and beer)
spent 2 hrs doing New Catflap Training to bemused felines
took mail to post-office
did Euromillions on way home
looked on GBF to see immense activity on current thread
now sitting in front of (switched-off) TV, waiting for draw time
wrote first page of future novel (to be entitled, "The Sad Life of an Has-Been Expat")

gg

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SteamyTea — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:41:40 +0100

Are we playing Top Trumps?

Listened to Shipping Forecast (05:20)
Did load of washing, as it was not going to rain, see above (or should it be sea above) (06:10)
Went into town to count empty shops (don't ask, it's an Economics things) (09:00)
Went for coffee and illegal downloading (10:00)
Went for walk in the woods and did 3/4 of my 10,000 steps, then coffee 12:40)
Now at home cooking lunch (14:40)

Later I shall go and cook for the poor and needy of Cornwall (actually the fat and greedy), but I get paid for that so it does not count.

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fostertom — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 15:05:32 +0100

That's 2 coffees before lunch - and I bet a few while cooking. Speedy Gonzales! I know I've had too much too regularly i.e. one every breakfast, when I get withdrawal symptoms.

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Peter_in_Hungary — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 23:27:47 +0100

Posted By: Gotanewlifelandy

I got one er dem

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Peter_in_Hungary — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 23:41:37 +0100

Posted By: skyewrightinsert activity of your choice)?

Up 6.30, check weather forecast for hay making - back to bed til 7.30 !
breakfast
take a couple of phone calls re cow and her calf for sale
Check GBF and emails
move entire herd to pastures new
mend electric fence destroyed by stag whilst eating grazing destined for my cows
lunch
tractor maintenance (much overdue)
Tea and strawberries with expat friends on the verandah

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fostertom — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 09:12:51 +0100

So "EU:- in or out?" has an acute meaning, viewed from the verandah?

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Peter_in_Hungary — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 11:47:08 +0100

Posted By: fostertomSo "EU:- in or out?" has an acute meaning, viewed from the verandah?

Too right, especially with the inability of most of the EU (UK included) being incapable of controlling immigration/migration and I don't see brexit solving this (e.g.non EU migration today) And of course the terrorist issues are getting worse and the UK is happy to leave all the EU crime prevention infrastructure and walk away to do their own thing (Mrs Mays insistance that she is prepared to walk away without a deal)

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Mike1 — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:20:48 +0100

Well I guess if the DUP deal goes through, the mythical Â£350m 'saving' will be spent in Northern Ireland, rather than the NHS.

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fostertom — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 18:23:33 +0100

Not a bad idea, pending a Lab govt soon enough.

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bot de paille — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:36:35 +0000

Posted By: djhBot, do you have any other independent articles confirming what that one says? I can't find any record of Boris Johnson making such a statement, nor do I imagine the British government will be doing much of anything in the next few days and in particular I doubt it will be signing anything on 8 June - the day of our election.

Posted By: Ed Davies
Posted By: bot de pailleWow this is interesting. I wonder what percentage voted in the referendum with out this knowledge.
Since you refuse to cite a source we can reasonably come to the conclusion that you're bullshitting, can't we?

Oh look, further intergration towards a federal superstate and the creation of an EU Army
https://www.rte.ie/amp/1024688/

"Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that a new Franco-German friendship treaty was a step toward the creation of a future joint European army.

Ms Merkel said the pact aims to build a Franco-German "common military culture" and "contributes to the creation of a European army".

President Emmanuel Macron and Chancellor Merkel signed the deal, which pledges deeper economic and defence ties as well as commitment to the EU, in the German city of Aachen."

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bot de paille — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:49:23 +0000

And the 27th of May 2016, 1 month before the referendum vote UK mainsstream media telling referendum voters that the idea of an EU army being created is pure fantasy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-army

"
But, contrary to reports, it will not propose an EU army. â€œThere is absolutely no plan to set up an EU army with the global strategy,â€ a spokeswoman for Mogherini said."

"Nick Witney, a former chief executive of the European Defence Agency, said no one took the idea of an EU army seriously."

"Paddy Ashdown is also sceptical. The former Liberal Democrat leader, who led the EUâ€™s mission in Bosnia, said the idea of an EU army was â€œnonsenseâ€ and â€œfor the birdsâ€.

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jamesingram — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:26:46 +0000

shake it all about !

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fostertom — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 19:08:57 +0000

Three choices

a) don't have armies

b) if you have to have armies, make them as effective as possible - scale, coordination

c) if you don't trust your 'allies', to throw in your lot with them, then Brexit in every way.

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bot de paille — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:13:26 +0000

How about honest and open transparency with voters about what your intentions are...?

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DarylP — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:29:54 +0000

...wrong country.....

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owlman — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 09:58:04 +0000

A Franco German Army,..... mmm..... what command and control language to use,.... English?? Non... Nein. Inside or outside of NATO?..... Will Berlin have a finger on France's Nuclear arsenal ?... oops!
Despite all that, it could still happen.

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fostertom — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:02:51 +0000

That's a shoot-self-in-foot thought. Why not a Franco-German-British army - which wd certainly use English and would have two nuclear buttons therefore some control protocol hammered out.

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Peter_in_Hungary — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:06:20 +0000

AFAIK any European army would need the agreement of all members of the EU and could not be mandated by Brussels. A majority vote would not do it! And I can't see any country giving up its control of its nuclear arsenal. Oh and there is also Germanys historical baggage that would preclude anything other than defense and peace keeping.

Inside or outside NATO? Probably alongside.

Command and control language I suspect would be English. There are 'war games' already taking place in Hungary with joint services and from talking to the participants English seems to be the common language (as it is in commerce) and I don't see Brexit changing this - for either activity.

From a personal view point, my great uncle was an officer in the Belgian army in the 14-18 war. His role was important as he spoke both French and Flemish at a time when the 'officer class' was French speaking and the 'other ranks' spoke Flemish. He told of significant problems with command and control without a common language, at times costing lives, so a common language would be essential and English is already probably the most common language (as a second / third language) in the EU

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barney — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:08:06 +0000

LoL - a Franco-German army, Putin pointing the 3rd Shock army down the Fulda Gap - Trump pulling out armour left right and centre, Mutti crying on the phone to Whitehall, PMTM sipping G&T in Chequers murmuring, "Not my Circus, not my Monkeys"

What could possibly go wrong

Regards

Barney

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owlman — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:27:24 +0000

My Goodness fostertom, you are overly sensitive, I was being facetious, flippant. Never mind; that humour fell on deaf ears.
Command and control in NATO is English hence your Hungarian military exercise analogy. As a bi-lateral Franco German arrangement, which is, for the moment what is being talked about, there may be no such requirement although common sense would most likely dictate it is.

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djh — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:33:33 +0000

How do we build a green bomb shelter? No concrete, no steel. What thickness of oak and sheeps wool would we need?

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bot de paille — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:46:37 +0000

This the creation of a EU army, not just a bi lateral agreement.
Germany runs the EU, the rest of the members will follow.

But apparently when the UK population voted, an EU army was nonsense conspiracy talk

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owlman — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:10:35 +0000

" This the creation of a EU army, not just a bi lateral agreement."

Bot; It looks as if it's being wrapped up like that at the moment,- rightly or wrongly, but I guess it's another step towards a Superstate. Flag, Anthem, Army, Airline, isn't that the way it goes.

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fostertom — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:20:08 +0000

Posted By: owlmanfostertom, you are overly sensitive, I was being facetious, flippant

Glad to hear it but there's a v large contingent who would say that and be deadly serious. Hard to tell.