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    • CommentAuthorBarney12
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2016
     
    I see the new forum is live:

    http://forum.buildhub.org.uk/ipb/

    Nothing to do with the old eBuild site but certainly filling nicely with some old familiar names.

    The mods on this site should really consider updating their forum software, templates and structure to something easier to use/navigate.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2016 edited
     
    What I find strange, is that around 150 people an hour still view the old eBuild site.

    With that sort of traffic, I'm amazed the owner of the eBuild site hasn't sold it, rather than close it down.
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    When I was last doing traffic analysis on large blogs - 3k articles plus so patterns would be similar - only 10% of the traffic came through the front page, some through links, and most was organic via Search. Of the organic, it was skewed heavily towards articles which appeared in the top 2 links on Google.

    It all depends on the business model.

    If you want traffic, and to control where it goes, SEO matters on deep pages, landing pages are crucial, and tools such as e-newsletters are valuable.

    EBuild seems to be in a position not to need a business model as such :-).

    Copying of "pillar" content, and removal from the old site, would make a difference; otherwise it will need 50k posts and 1-2 years significantly to move the organic traffic.

    But I am sure the management knows that, and is happy to let the natural process run its course.

    Ferdinand
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2016
     
    The thing is that with Ebuild and organic traffic is that there's no upsell of anything else. If you could then offer visitors other educational material with a view to eventually selling something it might be different. Without that, advertising is about your only option.

    I wonder how well Navitron do out of their forum.
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    Have to laugh at the post counts on the new forum. Maybe just a reflection on individual ego's or am I getting cynical in my old age.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2016 edited
     
    One problem The BuiildHub has, is getting people to their new site, at 6am they had 5 users on line, compared to ebuild, which had 235.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2016
     
    But what is the proportion of registered users and how many are guests from organic traffic?
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2016
     
    Good question. At 10:30 it was

    The BuildHub. - Who's Online 14 Members, 1 Anonymous, 6 Guests

    Ebuild - 94 users are online (in the past 30 minutes). 2 members, 92 guests, 0 anonymous users

    GBF - no data
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    My take on this is that it will take 18 months or 50k postings before the new forum will be really motoring.

    Patience and typing :-).

    Ferdinand
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016
     
    The other problem is visibility, searching "the buildhub" brings up loads of hits, none of which are the forum in question.

    Maybe the owner of eBuild could put a message on the front page directing readers to the new forum.
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    Posted By: TriassicThe other problem is visibility, searching "the buildhub" brings up loads of hits, none of which are the forum in question.

    Maybe the owner of eBuild could put a message on the front page directing readers to the new forum.


    But why would you do that. If you have just had to close your successful site due to certain members having a paddy and throwing there toys out. The last thing on your mind would be to support them in setting up a rival site to continue there ego.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016
     
    I don't think that eBuild was financially successful. Also from what I understand, it was the site owner that threw his toys out the pram, not the members.

    I just Googled BuildHub UK and it was the 7th entry on the list. It don't help that it is a .org.uk.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016 edited
     
    Don't know if .org.uk matters; seems an entirely appropriate domain to me. Should help a bit if you're searching from the UK, I'd think.

    Probably doesn't help, though, that it's not HTTPS. Google puts some weight on that these days.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016
     
    The thing about .org.uk is that it is not instinctive to go to, .com and .co.uk is. So it does not jump out at you straight away.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016
     
    Ebuild's organic traffic was/is not from people searching for Ebuild, is for people searching "what is thermal mass" or whatever.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016
     
    Posted By: gravelldEbuild's organic traffic was/is not from people searching for Ebuild, is for people searching "what is thermal mass" or whatever.

    ebuild isn't in the first 100 hits for that search query, so I don't think so. Which is reasonable since the site expressed such an eccentric view.

    But you're right that people searching for actual content is important and that's what they won't get for quite a while.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2016
     
    I didn't mean that specific query, sorry if I sounded too literal.

    There'll be 100s, possibly 1000s of different queries that Ebuild ranks for, I was just giving an example. 1000s x number of queries = lots of visits. That's how the 'long tail' works.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2016
     
    Sorry, but have to step in here due to Nick's provocative comments.

    God knows why, but I was copied-in to the emails of the conspirators so know exactly how "things" developed and it was not David Button who threw any toys out of anyone's pram, let alone his own.

    I'l repeat what I said in earlier posts in another thread here, immediately I saw how things were developing (and it started with the posting of one particular comment that opened a thread clearly titled with the names of the companies who subsequently raised "issues" with David) I PM'd all the other Mods with a warning, citing an earlier, far less potentially contentious, instance that led to threats of legal action and asking for their agreement that "we" close it down. I was told I was over-reacting and found myself the minority.

    I emailed David to warn him of the thread and suggested the thread be "locked down". That was an error because I should have said "closed down". David locked it. One of the other Mods unlocked it (which I didn't know we could do, having tried it on another thread some time before and failed because I was using the wrong one of two available options, only one of which worked) and a flurry of posts ensued. As I knew David was busy at work I emailed him, closed my eyes and waited for it to hit the fan.

    Had I known the Mods could actually have locked and unlocked threads I would actually have deleted the thread, not locked it. With hindsight, I should have done that anyway, but without the support of the other Mods, who was I to assume that kind of authority? If anyone on the "board" of the new forum wants to understand why I say that they have too many Mods, you now have your answer.

    So no, David Button did not throw his toys out of the pram, he was, like me, shocked at the vitriolic and often downright slanderous comments coming from the conspirators and which still trickle out from at least one of the people involved, if only to stoke the flames of discontent.

    I repeat, I was copied-in to the emails circulating amongst the conspirators. I still have them. I am sorely tempted to publish them. I haven't, yet, because a number of the people involved now regret going as far as they did in what they said.

    I have no problem with observation, it's uninformed malicious comment that seriously pi$$es me off.
    • CommentAuthordaiking
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2016 edited
     
    You won't be joining them, then? It's a shame as I always enjoyed your posts.

    But I'm in so much **** now, I've got to take help wherever I can find it.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2016
     
    Posted By: daikingYou won't be joining them, then? It's a shame as I always enjoyed your posts.

    But I'm in so much **** now, I've got to take help wherever I can find it.
    I see that in the other place it's just you and the exclusive club of 16. Such a shame ebuild closed and a great pity DB did not sell it on to someone with the time to devote to Building on his success.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2016
     
    Rome wasn't built in a night, Tri!
    • CommentAuthordaiking
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2016
     
    Posted By: Triassic
    Posted By: daikingYou won't be joining them, then? It's a shame as I always enjoyed your posts.

    But I'm in so much **** now, I've got to take help wherever I can find it.
    I see that in the other place it's just you and the exclusive club of 16. Such a shame ebuild closed and a great pity DB did not sell it on to someone with the time to devote to Building on his success.


    Its not quite that bad. You won't hold it against me will you? :big smile:

    (For the avoidance of any doubt for anyone else, I have absolutely nothing to do with anything that has transpired anywhere)
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    ''(For the avoidance of any doubt for anyone else, I have absolutely nothing to do with anything that has transpired anywhere)''

    I use that as my cover-all excuse in life, too!
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2016
     
    Posted By: daikingYou won't be joining them, then? It's a shame as I always enjoyed your posts.

    But I'm in so much **** now, I've got to take help wherever I can find it.
    I joined them on day one, but I've decided take a step back from the various forums I'm a member of and to knuckle down and get on with my self build. No doubt I will be back at some point to asking further questions, as and when required.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2016
     
    I tend to notice that building forums get a bit quite as the weather improves.
    I think this is my third week in Cornwall, in the last 12 years, that it has not rained. Been good, had a week in St. Ives with free parking, and another exhibition all of next week.
    • CommentAuthorPeterStarck
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2016 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaI think this is my third week in Cornwall, in the last 12 years, that it has not rained.


    It's been 11C, windy and wet at times here. Not at all summery. You've been lucky. I've been working inside the house floor tiling, grouting and fitting skirting.
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    Posted By: TriassicI joined them on day one

    I joined to to be sure I could preserve my user name, but with the intention of not being as involved (reading or posting) since I'm trying to cut down on Forum time. As it happened I got involved in a topic straight away, but just the one...

    As to the weather. 12 dry days in a row here now (& 14 since anything we'd call rain). The current 7 day forecast thinks that rain is a 50% chance next Friday. Not often you can say that on Skye! :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2016
     
    There were people swimming all this week. Mad Emmets most of them. I kept my shoes and socks on (I was working).
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    What is a Mad Emmet?

    I am familiar with "Mad as a Box of Frogs" (usually of the Green party).
    Also "Mad as a Hatter" (when they used to use mercury on the felt in hats).

    Perhaps an Emmet is a type of hare.

    Ferdinand
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2016
     
   
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