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    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    A government minister today made an important distinction when asked about energy efficiency explaining that we need reduce our usage.

    I love this kind of talk and very much hope for the scale of delivery mentioned with a SMART target of date and percentage.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    Who? got a link?
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    What was the distinction?

    I'm more concerned about ambition.
    • CommentAuthordaiking
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    I thought the entire point of smart meters was to reduce energy use.

    Price the poor out of using it...
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    Smart meters don't do anything, if you are smart you can look at your own meter.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016 edited
     
    Posted By: tonySmart meters don't do anything, if you are smart you can look at your own meter.


    +1

    Also, putting water meters "on display" in bathrooms might go a long way towards changing people's thought processes...

    gg
    • CommentAuthordaiking
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    Posted By: gyrogear
    Posted By: tonySmart meters don't do anything, if you are smart you can look at your own meter.


    +1

    Also, putting water meters "on display" in bathrooms might go a long way towards changing people's thought processes...

    gg


    What about the half of households without water meters?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2016
     
    Posted By: daikingWhat about the half of households without water meters?
    They should be forced to have them.
    Though my views are skewed living in one of the poorest parts of the EU but with the most expensive water in the UK by a long way.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016
     
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016 edited
     
    Yes but I heard a good interview on radio 4 but can't find it now
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaThey should be forced to have them.


    +1

    I never saw a car without a "petrol meter" !

    gg
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016
     
    Posted By: tonyYes but I heard a good interview on radio 4 but can't find it now
    I caught a bit of one, was in The World At One, a couple of days ago?
    Seemed to be a bit of a debate as I remember.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016
     
    That was likely it
  1.  
    there are a couple of problems with reducing energy uses
    1 It will cost jobs (e.g. no Hinkley C)
    2 It will reduce the profit line for energy companies and their share holders

    So given the lost jobs in the energy industry which the government may not like and the impact on the profit line for the energy companies how much appetite will there for a substantial energy reduction program?

    I can't see the energy cos. being allowed to jack up the prices to maintain profit in the face of falling demand and if reduction is widespread then falling gas/oil prices will also put downward pressure on retail energy prices
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016
     
    Are energy companies or the sector economically productive, as such? Do they improve productivity or increase wealth [generically]?

    They seem a cost to business, incumbent rentiers rather than productive innovators.

    I'm talking about npower et al, not the Teslas.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2016
     
    Posted By: gravelldAre energy companies or the sector economically productive, as such?
    Try running a business without them. They have strategic importance for all sectors of the economy.

    It is very hard to improve on electricity as a delivered service. Natural gas (and drinking water/sewage) is similar. These are mature industries that now deliver a reliable and consistent product for a very low price. It is about time we appreciated them more I think.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2016
     
    Posted By: SteamyTea
    Posted By: gravelldAre energy companies or the sector economically productive, as such?
    Try running a business without them. They have strategic importance for all sectors of the economy.

    That's not the definition of economically productive. In fact it's a pre-requisite of a rentier!

    Posted By: SteamyTea
    It is very hard to improve on electricity as a delivered service. Natural gas (and drinking water/sewage) is similar. These are mature industries that now deliver a reliable and consistent product for a very low price. It is about time we appreciated them more I think.
    I'm not sure that's the case, but if it was, seems to me the worst way of working with that is to have a small number of gigantic incumbents. Sure Good Energy exists but...
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