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    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2016
    Posted By: Paul in MontrealAll the contractors over here have compressors and nail guns. Once you have a decent compressor, there's a lot of interesting pneumatic tools available.

    All the carpenters over here have gas-fueled Paslodes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paslode_Impulse

    The problem with pneumatic tools is the hose, even worse than the cable attached to 'electric' drills.

    They do have compressors as well though, for cleaning their saws!
    Interesting link - thanks, but I've order my screws now. Quality TIMCo ones at a third of the price of those.

    The prospect of removing 2,000 washers by hand was a daunting one. Let's say 5 seconds (a wild guess but probably quite optimistic) per washer and that adds up to 2.77 hours of toil - without taking into account the occasional 'difficult' one and then there is the inherent danger from the odd sharp edge... still, it would be good for the soul perhaps.

    Nail guns are way too heavy and unwieldy or, as mentioned, they come with a cumbersome trailing airline. Either way they are very difficult to use and especially to use accurately IMHO. They are also highly dangerous. Only last year my brother-in-law nailed his hand to a piece of 2 x 4 with one.

    So overall, yes, I would far rather drive 2,000 screws with an electric screwdriver than 2,000 nails - whether by hand or by gun.

    The benifits AFAIAC are:

    much quieter
    much safer
    much less tiring
    much more accurate**
    much less likely to split the timber

    [** A screw is much easier to place and drive accurately with a relatively lightweight cordless impact driver than pretty well any other tool on the planet IMV. plus it can be undone and repositioned with ease should something move whilst you are making the initial fix.]

    I've been driving screws by hand, with Yankee drivers (yes, I am that ancient), and with mains & battery drills, & cordless impact drivers for over 40 years now. I know what I'm doing with them and I've always preferred them to nails. Hence why I placed so much store in finding a screw-based solution to the problem of fixing my bracketry.

    Thanks to all for their suggestions in this thread. It's been useful.
    • CommentAuthorringi
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2016
    Posted By: ealingbadgerNail guns are way too heavy and unwieldy or, as mentioned, they come with a cumbersome trailing airline. Either way they are very difficult to use and especially to use accurately IMHO. They are also highly dangerous.

    Most of these issues can be removed by first fixing the timber with a cheap brackets, using screw into the stud and one into the sole plate, then once the frame is build up and checked, hiring a nail gun for the short time to cross nail all the timbers.

    I don’t like the way that carpenters use nail guns one hander holding the timber with the other hand!
    • CommentAuthorthe souter
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2016
    Darn it, missed the party!
    Bit perplexed why your SE doesn't consider ply and OSB carried down to the sole plate and nailed through as sufficient reinforcement of say, skew nailed studs, as per Ringi.

    We would normally run a sole plate around the strip found and then separately fabricate a frame section, nailing through (Paslode 90mm annular ring) headers and footers. This assembly is then placed on top of the sole plate, forming a double footer, held together by skew nailed 90's and OSB overlapping both footers. Cold bridge not a grave concern in an outbuilding...

    Have I missed the sole plate fixing detail? If your SE is this worried about uplift, it must be quite something.

    Beau's Turbocoaches are great and those 40mm bad boys go through the large hole a treat. Sorry about your nail allergy; have you checked your SE's roofing drawings for joist hangers?!
    • CommentAuthorSilky
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2016
    I just googled the 'european' CSA screw here in Germany and they are cheaper than you quoted from the States... 150 Euros for 2000?

    Interesting link, yes, I was aware of that, but this was not actually the screw under consideration at the time.

    Things have moved on however and I have ordered a suitable TIMCo screw at considerably less than that price.

    "Cold bridge not a grave concern in an outbuilding..."

    Ah, but this is not 'yer mother's average outbuilding. It is being built to Passivhaus standards starting with 300mm of IsoLohr insulation care of the lads at CRS Future Build who are advising on and assisting with the slab.
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