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General: Woodburner sweeping - expectations confounded

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    • CommentAuthormalakoffee
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2016
     
    *** No neighbours were harmed or upset by the use of this stove ***

    It is a Jotul 602 ( with a window and airwash ). It is a great stove and I like it but my expectations of easy chimney sweeping have been confounded.
    PS. It is my first woodburning stove.

    I had assumed that certain internal plates could be easily removed to get the sweeping brush up the vertical flue whilst still attached to the stove.

    An experienced chimney sweep could not work out what to do ( and had obviously never worked with one before ) ended up detaching the flue and shifting the stove out of the way.
    There was some collateral damage to the surrounding natural lime render as a result.

    Has anyone had a stove that needed such treatment for a chimney sweep ?

    ( The formal channels have been less than helpful so far. )
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    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2016
     
    It's usual to install a cleaning opening in the flue, either a small door can be retrofitted, or an inverted "Y ", or "T" junc with a cap. You could always go on the roof and drop a weighted brush on a line down the flue. I guess you'd need to vac. out from below afterwards.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2016 edited
     
    If you don't have the mfr's operating instructions, there is a PDF here...
    Do a web search for "sweeping flue jotul 602 ?"
    You should see the reference : http://jotul.com/ca/guides/_attachment/12835?_download=true&_ts=13e1daaf7ec

    Page 3/6 of the PDF gives the cleaning method.

    HTH

    P.S. good idea about the cheese boxes as kindling !
    (However some of your logs look a bit big - I presume you splittem ? ) :shocked:

    gg
    • CommentAuthormalakoffee
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2016 edited
     
    Thanks Owlman. An external port might be the ultimate solution.
    As there is insufficient distance between the top of the stove and the chimney plate to install a cleaning port, I will have to hack into the back of the chimney from the other side.

    Gyrogear : I thought I was going mad for a minute . Why didn't I find it on t'web ?

    Thanks for searching out the doc., but , , , , ,
    Here is the gotcha - the previous model, also called 602, did not have a window & airwash.
    I believe it was possible to remove the baffle plate above the firebox relatively easily.

    The addition of airwash/Clean-burn has changed the internals significantly.

    Eventually I hope to find another 602 ( window + airwash ) owner in order to compare experiences.

    PS. The wide-diameter logs burn OK sometimes needing a bit of faster wood alongside to keep the flame going.
    • CommentAuthormalakoffee
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2016
     
    Thanks for forcing me to find and re-read the ( hardcopy ) Installation manual which was provided with the woodburner.

    It states :-
    "Use a flue pipe bend with a sweeping hatch that allows it to be swept".

    The installer has missed this or ignored it.

    On the HETAS form the installer has ticked YES for : "Provision for sweeping chimney/fluepipe".

    The installer since moved a long way away from this area. I guess I will have to approach HETAS to see what they suggest.
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    Could you put an access port in the chimney plate next to the flue?

    If you put a cleaning port in the back of the chimney, an advantage if it is an outside wall because the mess stays outside, but a bit of a pain to install if it's a cavity wall,
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2016
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: malakoffee</cite>Why didn't I find it on t'web</blockquote>

    maybe you weren't thinking straight because you have the flue ? :devil:

    gg
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2016
     
    If your stove has the option for rear as well as top flue outlet you could re-position the stove slightly further into the room and then use the rear outlet. Come straight off that with a TEE junc and cap off the one leg, "underneath one", of the TEE as a sweeping access. You look to have enough hearth to do that. You'd have to check the installation instructions to see of that's OK of course.
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    I have a Morso Squirrel, and to sweep it, it has to be removed from the fireplace. Its not a massive job, but it is a PITA. As others have said, its more normal to have an access prot on the flue between the stove & chimney. Mine doesn't
    • CommentAuthormalakoffee
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2016
     
    Phew, good to hear that I am not alone with the chimney sweeping woes. Thanks dimengineer.

    The chimney back is half-brick into a bedroom. Not ideal and it is going to mess up the plaster.

    I might have some options around the existing fireplace - smashing out some masonry. Maybe reset the lintel higher !

    Rear flue exit - with a T-junction is also possible, but depends how much further it pushes the stove into the room.

    I need to speak to an experienced fitter ( who doesn't ignore the Installation Manual ).
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2016 edited
     
    These may also help you, if you don't already have them.

    https://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Super-flexible-chimney-rods-and-brushes.html

    I bought a similar nylon set with brushes, "not too stiff", to suit the flue. You may even be able to access the flue through the stove door with them.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2016
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: owlman</cite>These may also help you, if you don't already have them.</blockquote>

    I have these also - great investment and an absolute doddle to use, I clean my flue at least 3 X a year.

    gg
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2016
     
    Yep - I've got some of those too. I have a 90 bend on the back of the stove (Charnwood Country 4) which it is _possible_ to get a brush+normal rods through, but it's a fight, and even harder to get back out again. It quite easy with the bendy-rods.

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