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    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017 edited
     
    Below is my first attempt at the gable end of the roof detail - again going for minimal look - no fascia, slight overhang.

    It has been suggested that there is nothing wrong with rendering right up to the underside of the tiles - so that's what I've detailed here.

    No under-cloak to direct the water into the roof, and the under-felt lapped under the render immediately under the tiles.

    If I end up using flat interlock tiles is there any reason why the interlock of the tile can not be cut off to improve the appearance of the end of the roof?

    Can anyone suggest a better name for the 'support' board under the render that keeps the end of the battens in place.

    Comments please.
      Verge rev A.jpg
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    Can the 'support' be called a bargeboard or a vergeboard? I think the actual component you're thinking of using is a called a soffit strip but that's not the right name in this position.

    A couple of thoughts on particular details:

    The airtightness membrane can go from the plaster to the underside of the OSB alongside the first rafter. Leave a little extra material so it doesn't pull loose if things move around. I think that should be simpler to install.

    Instead of woodfibre insulation, I would consider blown-in newspaper or Icynene between the rafters. A lot less cutting and fitting.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    Just had a conversation https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6245647442574868480/ which prob turns me right off Icynene - check it out.

    Its open-cell and permanent softness make it different to the other PU sprays incl Walltite which this starts with - but just as nasty toxic to install and have in the house - and its supposed 'renewable' source acounts for only 7% of the installed product.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    Posted By: fostertomwhich prob turns me right off Icynene - check it out
    Not sure I see anything to put me off Icynene in this. It does of course have a BBA certificate. Personally I have it and think it is a great product (I did not buy it for any green credentials).

    The point of the Mirror item is that you don't insulate under the rafters of a cold loft space. That was the con, not the stuff itself.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    Posted By: fostertomJust had a conversation which prob turns me right off Icynene - check it out.

    Paywalled

    OK go with cellulose :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    DJH,

    I suppose the support can be called a "blind bargeboard" to indicate that it can't be seen. :confused:

    I had thought about running the membrane to the underside of the osb as you suggest - that is an option if I forget to lay it over the wall before the osb goes down. Running it the way it's detailed should keep it well out of reach.

    I have no objection to a blown in product (and I'm not that concerned about chemicals), the woodfibre has the benefit of being dense to assist with mopping up any heat or sound that gets though the EPS, it's self supporting between 600mm joists - I think that even I may be able to install it. Plus it's vapour open allowing an easy path for vapour (another subject perhaps). Cost will be approx £10 per m2 per 100mm thickness with a a lambda of 0.038 - not bad for the density. I'll checkout the blown products tho.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    Running it under the OSB it is well out of reach behind the insulation. Running over the wall it may be abraded by any movement.

    Cellulose absorbs sound pretty well and is supported by the board or membrane that you install before it is injected. It's also vapour open.
    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2017
     
    Posted By: djhRunning it under the OSB it is well out of reach behind the insulation. Running over the wall it may be abraded by any movement.


    fair point

    Posted By: djhCellulose absorbs sound pretty well and is supported by the board or membrane that you install before it is injected. It's also vapour open.


    ok will check out - thanks.
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    Posted By: fostertomwhich prob turns me right off Icynene


    Can't read the link but IIRC it's supposed to do most of the off gassing in the first 24 hours. We certainly couldn't smell anything unpleasant after two days.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Paywalled? - it's only Linkedin!

    The Mirror article yes was a diversion - it was other things said and linked to. I'll see if I can go back and summarise.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Sorry, by paywalled I meant it requires me to create an account, which I'm not about to do on any social media site.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    I know the feeling
    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    me to - the number of social media accounts I have is 0 (and it always will be). A summary would be good.

    In the end I joined this forum because a) I had questions that needed answers and b) The joining fee vastly reduces responses that are either wrong or not relevant.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017 edited
     
    Having at last built my own website - dare I mention it http://www.TomFosterArchitecture.co.uk - my young tutors say it's a waste of time unless embedded with a social media plan (Google Analytics already shows that's true) so they're guiding me to 'go back in', having pulled out in bafflement previously.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Posted By: fostertomHaving at last built my own website

    Sadly it's also a site I'll never see because of the technology it's built with. wix needs me to enable Javascript to see the site, which I believe to be an unreasonable demand just to look at a website. (for security reasons). But then I'm not part of your target market, so perhaps it doesn't matter.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    At least it doesn't use Flash like most architects' (mostly crap) sites. But, yes, requiring JavaScript just to display static content is ridiculous and makes the page slow to start displaying.

    From what I've read I don't think JavaScript is much of a security risk in itself with modern browsers though I would agree that it might make exploitation other bugs easier. Flash and Java are different with a long history of known holes.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017 edited
     
    Jeez I didn't know that - Wix is WYSIWYG DIY, uses Java for that and has to serve a special 'escaped fragment' version when Google comes crawling - but I'd assumed the outward public result would be 'clean'. I am asking them.

    If any more on this, better in another thread?
    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Tom, Oh dear - I've just looked at your gallery....

    I think I may be about to build two "Clompy conspicuous bungalows". :cry:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    First Step is to Admit You Need Help!

    BTW I'm quite ashamed of the stopgap Gallery - scruffiest page - soon as I can - currently correcting SEO faults - they don't explain about H1 H2 H3 hierarchy until it's a mess that needs laborious correction.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: fostertom
    dare I mention it http://www.TomFosterArchitecture.co.uk

    You may but possibly better in another thread :)

    Seemed to take an age to load. Not to my taste but YMMV. One thing is that you should really be moving to https. I've just move my main blog (hardly updated in 4 years I'm afraid) and a new one https://tech.borpin.co.uk (shameless plug) to a new host that offered Lets Encrypt free SSL certificate. Google have stated that not being on SSL will start to impact rating (not that it worries me right now).
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    like your website Tom , straight up stuff , no fancy pants :-)
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Thank you James - I thought you might

    Posted By: borpinOne thing is that you should really be moving to https
    Yes, Wix are pushing us to do that - and I've seen the first of the promised warnings in Google Search - 'this site may not be safe'
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Posted By: djhwix needs me to enable Javascript to see the site
    Posted By: fostertomJeez I didn't know that ... I am asking them
    I asked:
    "Is it true that someone who hasn't got Java enabled on their computer can't see my Wix-created site?"
    They answered:
    "No, Wix uses HTML5 for the sites created"
    What are you seeing Dave?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: fostertomIs it true that someone who hasn't got Java enabled on their computer can't see my Wix-created site?"

    Javascript not Java, Tom!
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2017
     
    Aha - will ask that.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2017
     
    You're right as usual Dave:
    "Wix sites make extensive use of Javascript.
    Without Javascript support pages will not load."

    Is this different from say a Joomla-built site?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2017
     
    Sorry, no idea. I probably should have but I don't follow this technology area closely. I expect others do. :shamed:
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