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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 15:56:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Here we go again<img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/devil.gif" alt=":devil:" title=":devil:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:22:33 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[jeremy might not win but theresa may...<br /><br />gg]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:32:39 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[so tories looking for a larger majority to smooth governance and brexit and claim 'mandate' to lead, seems like they're doing the right thing to me whether i agree with their policies or not.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:35:40 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Peter_in_Hungary</author>
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			<![CDATA[Stuff the impact on the country and what She has said up until now, with the opinion polls showing as they do from a political party view point She would be daft not to try to get a thumping majority to carry the Torys through the next 5 years.<br />It's party politics top to bottom !!!]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:05:43 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[And all the other parties wrong  footed, and scrabbling for thing to say. <br />The most laughable comment, I thought was from the SNP leader, who called the PM "opportunist". Indeed Ms Sturgeon, you hypocrite, you who I presume would never sink to such levels. <br />What was the Scottish independence referendum battle cry, I seem to remember "A once in  a lifetime vote". Yet, having lost that, and at the first opportunity you're beating the drum again; tut-tut.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:12:25 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: gyrogear</cite>jeremy might not win but theresa may...<br /></blockquote>You're a bad, bad person Gyrogear!]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:18:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[As for the election we are now going to see demonstrated the simple truth that even a clever, motivated, honest person of high integrity can achieve very little 'in charge' unless they can lead.  I forecast the worst ever Labour result in a lifetime.  And this is a good thing for once because now Brexit is a fact our best hope is a huge mandate and strong leadership - even if one doesn't like the details it is bound to be better than something negotiated with the other parties and tory non-believers, let alone the country.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:13:43 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Actually, Owlman, Sturgeon has been fairly consistent and followed through with the SNP manifesto in a quite reasonable manner. Any hypocrisy on the SNP's part is tiny compared with the utter lying theft by the main UK parties.<br /><br />Personally, I no longer wish to live in the UK, I'm that sick of their shit, and was really disappointed that the first referendum voted No. I really hope we have another one and people in Scotland see that the choice is between the economic setbacks and uncertainty of independence or the certainty of living in a delusional kleptocracy on its way back to the 1920s or before.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:04:52 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Is there anything to stop the SNP fielding candidates in England.  Could be and interesting protest vote.<br /><br />I think there should be a campaign to vote May out of her seat.  That would be funny.  Maybe a Green candidate could have that as their only agenda.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:35:46 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[As all the main parties are committed to respecting the cocked-up referrendum, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a brand new party whose main plank is to remain in EU. That wd represent 49% of the vote at the time of the referrendum, plus lots more since who have found themselves thinking twice about it.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:52:56 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: fostertom</cite>party whose main plank is to remain in EU.</blockquote>I thought that was the LibDems.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:12:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I lose track - but maybe ....<br />Anyway, it'll be fascinating to get an update - the shift - in which demographics and which regions now think what about Brexit.<br />The worst would be that the election, the 'mandate for Brexit' isn't fought over Brexit at all but all the other tired old issues.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:45:35 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[It's a general election not a re run of BREXIT<br /><br />PMTM has called everyone's bluff and will have a thumping great majority  - and a mandate for BREXIT that can't be argued with<br /><br />She will also put the least funny Krankie back in her box for a good wee while and will annihilate Comrade Corbyn and the Abbotasaurus<br /><br />She's played a blinder - I'm tempted to buy her a new handbag<br /><br />Barney]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:44:55 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: barney</cite>It's a general election not a re run of BREXIT</blockquote>Yeah, rightâ€¦]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:17:18 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: barney</cite>It's a general election not a re run of BREXIT</blockquote>They can't have it both ways - getting a<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: barney</cite>mandate for BREXIT</blockquote>- so the referendum apparently wasn't that after all? Or its authority has quickly evaporated with the short passage of time, second thoughts etc?<br /><br />Reminds me of Cameron's intention to 'settle inter-Tory Brexit conflict once and for all' - can of worms. This could be the same - far from foregone conclusion - the one thing that could destroy Tory hegemony right now.<br /><br />The danger is that no one will have the courage to defy the referendum vote, step forward and throughly re-open the Brexit question. Failing that, it'll be the usual dreary thing revolving around NHS, penny on income tax etc, not touching Brexit, but hey presto it's a Brexit mandate!]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:18:03 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[Barney,<br /><br />Succinctly put, and funny too  <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/happy/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" title=":clap:" /><img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/happy/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" title=":clap:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:23:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: gyrogear</cite>jeremy might not win but theresa may...</blockquote>Edit that to 'maggie may' - talk about pulling middle-England knee-jerk strings from the grave!]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:59:40 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[Just a reminder: the referendum was on leaving the EU or not. Those wanting to leave won (by a slim majority) so it gives a mandate for that. It does not give a mandate for destructively rushing into a hard Brexit, treating citizens of other EU countries settled in this country badly and so on. People who accept that England and Wales, at least, are leaving the EU but who oppose the associated nastiness have a perfectly legitimate right to argue their case and for that to be an election issue.<br /><br />Still, if the election result shows that sufficient people are having second thoughts then that should be taken into account. I doubt it will, though.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 19:20:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>owlman</author>
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			<![CDATA[Ed; I don't think EU citizens have been treated badly, AFAIK I think the Government refuses to discuss the issue as a one sided thing, until the EU commits to reciprocal arrangements for UK citizens settled within mainland EU Europe. It appears that its the EU that has been dragging its heels. I don't see a problem with that UK stance.<br />The Hard Brexit phrase is no different to the "punishment" words coming from EU officials and certain EU heads of State, Its posture politics prior to the real stuff. Common sense will prevail in the end.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:21:44 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>dimengineer</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have a daft theory that its all the fault of Junkers. Cameron showed how much he (we) disliked him, campaigning to stop him becoming EU president. He is such an unappealing man, and now we are leaving he's getting worse and seems determined to get his own back & to make the UK suffer.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:54:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: dimengineer</cite>its all the fault of Junkers</blockquote>What? the UK Brexit vote? the new election?]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:18:17 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[The UK Brexit vote. Which has of course led to the election. But I'm not specifically blaming him for that.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:20:34 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>gyrogear</author>
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			<![CDATA[the Battle of Britain (1940)<br /><br />(knocked a lot of Junkers out of the sky...)<br /><br />(Here comes the story of the Hurricane<br />The man the authorities came to blame<br />For something that he never done<br />Put him in a prison cell but one time he could've been The champion of the world...)<br /><br />etc<br />gg]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:35:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: gyrogear</cite>Here comes the story of the Hurricane</blockquote><br />You going to mention the 77th line <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/cool/rasta.gif" alt=":rasta:" title=":rasta:" /><br /><br />There was a bit on the radio today about serial and parallel negotiations.<br />It seems that Britain wants parallel i.e. discussing all aspects of leaving at the same time, the EU will only discuss one issue at a time.  The first thing they want sorted out is how much it will cost us in cash to leave.<br />I am led to believe this is normal practice in a divorce (never having been married I have no personal experience).]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:37:33 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I have and it didn't come to that. Eternally grateful.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:05:41 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: owlman</cite>Ed; I don't think EU citizens have been treated badly,</blockquote>Refusing permanent leave to remain to people who would have got it as a matter of course prior to the referendum (but had never thought it was necessary to apply for) isn't treating them badly?]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:31:54 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[No it is not Ed.  I had a boss who could take redundancy (very nice redundancy too, as in 5 years worth - an eastern EU military thing) but he had a cash cow for a job at the time; suddenly someone senior retired and everything changed.  C'est la vie or a bird in the hand is worth.....<br /><br />I am amazed to hear you argue differently.<br /><br />I am taking steps to regularise my position and reduce my risk in my life here in Italy because, though unlikely, the BREXIT negotiations could affect me adversely.  It is the same thing.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:23:29 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[Really, this is OK?<br /><br /><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years" target="_self" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years</a>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 09:02:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>owlman</author>
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			<![CDATA[The Groniad love to bash Tory Government departments knowing they can't respond publicly on individual cases. Applying for a UK passport seems fairly straightforward to me. My late wife was German and had no difficulty getting a UK passport.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/if-your-spouse-is-a-british-citizen" target="_self" rel="nofollow">https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/if-your-spouse-is-a-british-citizen</a>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:44:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>mw116</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Ed Davies</cite>Really, this is OK?<br /><br /><a href="<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years</a>" rel="nofollow" >https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years</a></blockquote><br /><br />No, but is this really the fault of the vote to leave the EU, or is it more the fault of a bureaucracy gone mad?]]>
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