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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2017
     
    Here we go again:devil:
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2017
     
    jeremy might not win but theresa may...

    gg
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    so tories looking for a larger majority to smooth governance and brexit and claim 'mandate' to lead, seems like they're doing the right thing to me whether i agree with their policies or not.
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    Stuff the impact on the country and what She has said up until now, with the opinion polls showing as they do from a political party view point She would be daft not to try to get a thumping majority to carry the Torys through the next 5 years.
    It's party politics top to bottom !!!
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2017
     
    And all the other parties wrong footed, and scrabbling for thing to say.
    The most laughable comment, I thought was from the SNP leader, who called the PM "opportunist". Indeed Ms Sturgeon, you hypocrite, you who I presume would never sink to such levels.
    What was the Scottish independence referendum battle cry, I seem to remember "A once in a lifetime vote". Yet, having lost that, and at the first opportunity you're beating the drum again; tut-tut.
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    Posted By: gyrogearjeremy might not win but theresa may...
    You're a bad, bad person Gyrogear!
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    As for the election we are now going to see demonstrated the simple truth that even a clever, motivated, honest person of high integrity can achieve very little 'in charge' unless they can lead. I forecast the worst ever Labour result in a lifetime. And this is a good thing for once because now Brexit is a fact our best hope is a huge mandate and strong leadership - even if one doesn't like the details it is bound to be better than something negotiated with the other parties and tory non-believers, let alone the country.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2017
     
    Actually, Owlman, Sturgeon has been fairly consistent and followed through with the SNP manifesto in a quite reasonable manner. Any hypocrisy on the SNP's part is tiny compared with the utter lying theft by the main UK parties.

    Personally, I no longer wish to live in the UK, I'm that sick of their shit, and was really disappointed that the first referendum voted No. I really hope we have another one and people in Scotland see that the choice is between the economic setbacks and uncertainty of independence or the certainty of living in a delusional kleptocracy on its way back to the 1920s or before.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2017
     
    Is there anything to stop the SNP fielding candidates in England. Could be and interesting protest vote.

    I think there should be a campaign to vote May out of her seat. That would be funny. Maybe a Green candidate could have that as their only agenda.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2017
     
    As all the main parties are committed to respecting the cocked-up referrendum, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a brand new party whose main plank is to remain in EU. That wd represent 49% of the vote at the time of the referrendum, plus lots more since who have found themselves thinking twice about it.
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    Posted By: fostertomparty whose main plank is to remain in EU.
    I thought that was the LibDems.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    I lose track - but maybe ....
    Anyway, it'll be fascinating to get an update - the shift - in which demographics and which regions now think what about Brexit.
    The worst would be that the election, the 'mandate for Brexit' isn't fought over Brexit at all but all the other tired old issues.
    • CommentAuthorbarney
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    It's a general election not a re run of BREXIT

    PMTM has called everyone's bluff and will have a thumping great majority - and a mandate for BREXIT that can't be argued with

    She will also put the least funny Krankie back in her box for a good wee while and will annihilate Comrade Corbyn and the Abbotasaurus

    She's played a blinder - I'm tempted to buy her a new handbag

    Barney
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: barneyIt's a general election not a re run of BREXIT
    Yeah, right…
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Posted By: barneyIt's a general election not a re run of BREXIT
    They can't have it both ways - getting a
    Posted By: barneymandate for BREXIT
    - so the referendum apparently wasn't that after all? Or its authority has quickly evaporated with the short passage of time, second thoughts etc?

    Reminds me of Cameron's intention to 'settle inter-Tory Brexit conflict once and for all' - can of worms. This could be the same - far from foregone conclusion - the one thing that could destroy Tory hegemony right now.

    The danger is that no one will have the courage to defy the referendum vote, step forward and throughly re-open the Brexit question. Failing that, it'll be the usual dreary thing revolving around NHS, penny on income tax etc, not touching Brexit, but hey presto it's a Brexit mandate!
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    Barney,

    Succinctly put, and funny too :clap::clap:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Posted By: gyrogearjeremy might not win but theresa may...
    Edit that to 'maggie may' - talk about pulling middle-England knee-jerk strings from the grave!
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Just a reminder: the referendum was on leaving the EU or not. Those wanting to leave won (by a slim majority) so it gives a mandate for that. It does not give a mandate for destructively rushing into a hard Brexit, treating citizens of other EU countries settled in this country badly and so on. People who accept that England and Wales, at least, are leaving the EU but who oppose the associated nastiness have a perfectly legitimate right to argue their case and for that to be an election issue.

    Still, if the election result shows that sufficient people are having second thoughts then that should be taken into account. I doubt it will, though.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Ed; I don't think EU citizens have been treated badly, AFAIK I think the Government refuses to discuss the issue as a one sided thing, until the EU commits to reciprocal arrangements for UK citizens settled within mainland EU Europe. It appears that its the EU that has been dragging its heels. I don't see a problem with that UK stance.
    The Hard Brexit phrase is no different to the "punishment" words coming from EU officials and certain EU heads of State, Its posture politics prior to the real stuff. Common sense will prevail in the end.
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    I have a daft theory that its all the fault of Junkers. Cameron showed how much he (we) disliked him, campaigning to stop him becoming EU president. He is such an unappealing man, and now we are leaving he's getting worse and seems determined to get his own back & to make the UK suffer.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Posted By: dimengineerits all the fault of Junkers
    What? the UK Brexit vote? the new election?
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    The UK Brexit vote. Which has of course led to the election. But I'm not specifically blaming him for that.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    the Battle of Britain (1940)

    (knocked a lot of Junkers out of the sky...)

    (Here comes the story of the Hurricane
    The man the authorities came to blame
    For something that he never done
    Put him in a prison cell but one time he could've been The champion of the world...)

    etc
    gg
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Posted By: gyrogearHere comes the story of the Hurricane

    You going to mention the 77th line :rasta:

    There was a bit on the radio today about serial and parallel negotiations.
    It seems that Britain wants parallel i.e. discussing all aspects of leaving at the same time, the EU will only discuss one issue at a time. The first thing they want sorted out is how much it will cost us in cash to leave.
    I am led to believe this is normal practice in a divorce (never having been married I have no personal experience).
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    I have and it didn't come to that. Eternally grateful.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    Posted By: owlmanEd; I don't think EU citizens have been treated badly,
    Refusing permanent leave to remain to people who would have got it as a matter of course prior to the referendum (but had never thought it was necessary to apply for) isn't treating them badly?
    • CommentAuthorGotanewlife
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017 edited
     
    No it is not Ed. I had a boss who could take redundancy (very nice redundancy too, as in 5 years worth - an eastern EU military thing) but he had a cash cow for a job at the time; suddenly someone senior retired and everything changed. C'est la vie or a bird in the hand is worth.....

    I am amazed to hear you argue differently.

    I am taking steps to regularise my position and reduce my risk in my life here in Italy because, though unlikely, the BREXIT negotiations could affect me adversely. It is the same thing.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2017
     
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2017 edited
     
    The Groniad love to bash Tory Government departments knowing they can't respond publicly on individual cases. Applying for a UK passport seems fairly straightforward to me. My late wife was German and had no difficulty getting a UK passport.

    https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/if-your-spouse-is-a-british-citizen
    • CommentAuthormw116
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2017
     
    Posted By: Ed DaviesReally, this is OK?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years" rel="nofollow" >https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years


    No, but is this really the fault of the vote to leave the EU, or is it more the fault of a bureaucracy gone mad?
   
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