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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2017 edited
     
    I like it that we can post such broad stuff on GBF:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/eu-irish-unity-brexit-europe-northern-ireland

    In the Comments:
    "If Brexit results in the break up of the post-imperial hangover that is tofay's highly centralised, Westminster-dominated UK, finally forcing England to come to terms with its identity, shorn of its empire, that'll be a good thing, for all of us who live on these islands."
    I've toyed with the idea that Cameron's two 'disastrous' referrenda were in fact his secret plot to bring in just that realism - England's Gorbachev!
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2017
     
    In the words of a rather famous (now retired) tennis player - you cannot be serious! It won't happen, not after Brexit, not any time in the near future. People in the Irish republic may have some romantic notion/longing for a united Ireland but I cannot imagine for a moment the majority of people in Northern Ireland would want it. It seems to me that the people of Northern Ireland feel more "British" than the Brits on the mainland - witness the number of Union Jack flags around the place!
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    From the article

    It needs to go all the way, and commit itself to the fruitful ambiguity of a Northern Ireland that is both still in the UK and still in the EU. After all, if people in Northern Ireland are being told they can vote to rejoin the EU, why ignore their vote not to leave it in the first place?

    And IMO it is not a big leap to go from this option for Ireland and apply it to Scotland
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: Jeff BI cannot imagine for a moment the majority of people in Northern Ireland would want it. It seems to me that the people of Northern Ireland feel more "British" than the Brits on the mainland
    Figures show that's changing sharply amongst the upcoming young, who have little or no personal memory of 'The Troubles' and who regard all the manic flag-wagging as ludicrous. So just a matter of time and die-off - and economic consequences for them, of Brexit.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: fostertomFigures show that's changing sharply amongst the upcoming young, who have little or no personal memory of 'The Troubles' and who regard all the manic flag-wagging as ludicrous. So just a matter of time and die-off - and economic consequences for them, of Brexit.
    Can you show us where this evidence is?
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2017
     
    It seems to me that this is just another case of the EU stating the bleedin' obvious to avoid arguments later:

    1) Spain has a veto on trade agreements regarding Gibraltar in just the same way that Slovakia has a veto on trade agreements involving Norwich - trade agreements need to be unanimous (not by QMV, see CETA and the 99 Red Walloons) so of course they have a veto.

    2) If Ireland (re-)unified then of course it would be allowed to all be in the EU - technically there might be a bit of paperwork to do but it would be nutty not to allow it, particularly given the precedent of the GDR. Stating that doesn't say anything one way or another about whether any particular body thinks unification is desirable or not; it just removes the risk of somebody making that hypothetical objection.

    Given the Republic's constitutional position on reunification (as updated by the Good Friday agreement) the Irish government would be remiss not to be clear about this.
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    Some of the EU pronouncements are statements of the bleedin' obvious, but with my tinfoil hat on, I suspect their timing is very suspicious and set to stir things up.

    I am now in little doubt (and I did vote remain) that the EU commission (and perhaps Junkers in particular) are determined to make us suffer.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2017
     
    Re Junker, an interesting interview with Eva Joly, a Franco Norwegian anti corruption activist.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=interview+jean+claude+juncker+france+24&view=detail&mid=7E487D4BA7CB1C8FE2177E487D4BA7CB1C8FE217&FORM=VIRE
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2017
     
    Posted By: owlmanRe Junker, an interesting interview with Eva Joly, a Franco Norwegian anti corruption activist.

    Excellent. Thanks for the link.

    Posted By: fostertomI like it that we can post such broad stuff on GBF

    BTW, shouldn't this topic be under Politics rather than General?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2017
     
    Fraid I never bother with such categories - it all presents as a sngle stream - should I? anyone rely on Categories?
    • CommentAuthorGotanewlife
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: fostertomanyone rely on Categories?
    Never look or even notice them. I try to be polite and post roughly where a post might go but the entire system is defunct in my view, except for members only of course.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    The board isn't busy enough to warrant them; there are only 6 of us who do all the talking!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: cjardthere are only 6 of us who do all the talking
    Not as lively as it used to be is it.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    You reckon? I wasn't sure. Do we think this is inevitable across forums? AECB.net died very suddenly, same with another mainstay of mine.

    It's often explained that the younger generations prefer to do it (if they do anything like this kind of info swopping) on social media. I have gone looking for such - but for example the AECB FB page is totally trivial compared to the essential role that AECB.net used to fill. There's no adequate archive or search, no easy-to-follow threads, no enquiry/learning, just isolated expressions of pre-formed beliefs and prejudices.

    Is this the fate of GBF? Am I just old fashioned?
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    They're all too busy renovating fireplaces, installing bi-folds or exposing brickwork, or something. No-one cares about building performance. They should, but they don't.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    So they used to, on GBF, but no longer?
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    Posted By: dimengineerSome of the EU pronouncements are statements of the bleedin' obvious, but with my tinfoil hat on, I suspect their timing is very suspicious and set to stir things up.
    Quite the opposite of stirring things up, I think. It's more like talking slowly and steadily to an overtired toddler in the hope of calming them down.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    Posted By: fostertomSo they used to, on GBF, but no longer?
    Maybe we've just discussed the same thing several times. I've noticed a pattern when a newcomer comes in with the same questions and they are redirected elsewhere.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    I too think activity on this forum has declined over the past 18 months or so. There are lots of questioners who pop up, ask for help solving a problem, then disappear just as quickly. It's the complex and transient nature of much of modern activity, I guess.
    So perhaps yes; tom, maybe you are old fashioned. I know I am, but I don't care.
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    Posted By: owlmanSo perhaps yes; tom, maybe you are old fashioned. I know I am, but I don't care.

    You are not on your own...

    FB has zero appeal to me.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    Frightening - so where's the alternative invaluable 'university of the air' that forces rapid development (and correction) of ideas, understanding, left-field angles etc, a bit like the 'hightened' environment of an Oxford don, I imagine! Over a long period I have seen understandings change, reverse even, and reach new depth, through constructive debate/criticism on GBF. How can any generation thrive without that?
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017 edited
     
    Well it's vaguely related so allow me to rant a little (rant is a bit of a strong word actually)...

    I come from the software and startups world. Knowledge and expertise is freely available, entire codebases for widely used software is available to download, edit and contribute back, no matter who you are, gratis (and often libre).

    In the construction world, no such luck. Anything beyond the basic is really difficult to get hold of or even learn about.

    If construction worked like software, there'd be a website where I could download or even create online, and share, building details, then maybe for a charge Therm type analysis would run on it. PHPP would be open source. Professionals would actively engage in online discussion (some do, but as a proportion it appears tiny). There'd be a Q&A site where I can ask a question and the current, canonical answer would be delivered, easily findable by search engines. Buildings would be actively measured, results posted transparently. Someone would've started a Kickstarter campaign to sell cheap air permeability testing kits.

    I don't expect construction to be exactly the same as the gnarly realism that it is concerned with hardware, not software. And of course the histories are very different.

    But, christ!, it's like wading through mud sometimes.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    I guess that when IT is the product/subject and also the means of communication, it's kinda talking/thinking about itself, internally.
    First order of difference might be when a proprietary software is the product/software and IT is the means of communication, it's already hard to get gd free-flowing info.
    When building is the product/software and IT is the means of communication, maybe it's hopeless - tho I've found contributors on GBF a model of clarity and generosity compared with e.g. the huge international user-base on Bentley (CAD) Community forums.

    Maybe, as sectors of building move into the young/makers area (because they can't afford to buy onto the housing ladder) with all the digital-native implications of that, things may change - tho whether old fashioned me will be able to comprehend the new-speak, I don't know. Maybe it's already happening somewhere but I can't recognise it.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: gravelldIn the construction world, no such luck. Anything beyond the basic is really difficult to get hold of or even learn about.
    My very first post was about open-source house building, it went nowhere fast.

    http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=5286&page=1

    Posted By: owlmanI too think activity on this forum has declined over the past 18 months or so.
    And I am only here to wind Tom up :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    FWIW, PHPP is open source. Though it costs a bit of money to buy whilst the main problem is knowing how to use it.

    Software is a unique environment. Expecting fields that involve hardware to work in the same way is totally unrealistic. I speak as an open-source advocate, but even computer hardware doesn't work that way in almost all cases.

    I too would like to see a greater sharing of knowledge in building and in academic fields. Though I did find enough knowledge to build my house. It just requires some effort.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    As I said, I don't expect fields that involve software to work in the same way.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2017
     
    Just because the source is available to purchasers doesn't make something “open source”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2017
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: fostertom</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: Jeff B</cite>I cannot imagine for a moment the majority of people in Northern Ireland would want it. It seems to me that the people of Northern Ireland feel more "British" than the Brits on the mainland</blockquote>Figures show that's changing sharply amongst the upcoming young, who have little or no personal memory of 'The Troubles' and who regard all the manic flag-wagging as ludicrous. So just a matter of time and die-off - and economic consequences for them, of Brexit.</blockquote>

    I'm not so sure about that. The young people you refer to are the children of the people who grew up during "The Troubles" and therefore I would think a lot of them will have inherited the same ideology as their parents? It will take several generations for this ideology to be "diluted" from the population's memory and only then maybe the notion of a united Ireland will take hold.
    • CommentAuthorlineweight
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2017 edited
     
    I hope this forum doesn't die; I have found it immensely helpful over the past 6 or 7 years.

    Interesting the comments about the AECB forum; have been procrastinating for some time about joining AECB. One of the main draws for me would be active discussion forums, which I thought there were, but when I checked it out recentlly the impression I got was not much going on.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2017
     
    I hope it's not the case but that's the type of thing that leads to me to the suspicion that most (not all) would rather guard their knowledge.

    That's totally rational because it's a services industry. And the way tech worked about twenty five years ago.
   
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