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    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017 edited
     
    Edwardian Semi Eco home Offers in excess of £250,000
    16 Somerset Road, Barry C5628BN
    5 bedrooms, 2 Bathrooms, 2 Reception rooms, Kitchen, Huge playroom, Office.
    Fabulous view of the old Harbour and Bristol channel
    Completely refurbished and lovingly restored over 20 years.
    Value of refurbishment works in excess of £150,000
    EPC rating C
    This superinsulated eco friendly home was the subject of a 4 part Green Building Case study and boasts super low combined energy bills of around £130/month.

    http://www.harryharper.co.uk/property/?ref=00001571
  1.  
    I live in Barry myself. Where's the link?
    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017
     
    "Superinsulated eco friendly" - with an EPC rating of C :confused:
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017 edited
     
    Hi Victorianeco. No link until the 11th as will be marketed with Estate Agent then.

    Goodevans...Superinsulation is only part of an EPC rating. The rating is extremely good for a solid walled house of this type without bolt on renewables (of which there are none) But I don't want to get into a debate over what's good and bad there are plenty of threads for that lol... The house is what it is. :)

    Anyone interested can get me on 07846836124.

    Thanks.
    • CommentAuthorHollyBush
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017
     
    should that be CF62 8BN?
  2.  
    So what's eco about it then? If there's no bolt on renewable sources?

    I guess you've just had EWI and some double glazing?

    What was the case study? My 4 bed with an attic conversion in Glamorgan Street costs £90 a month in electric (gas removed)....
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017
     
    Posted By: goodevans"Superinsulated eco friendly" - with an EPC rating of C :confused:"

    EPCs are complete garbage. My house is Passivhaus-certified but has an EPC band of C.
  3.  
    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: goodevans"Superinsulated eco friendly" - with an EPC rating of Chttp:///newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/confused.gif" alt=":confused:" title=":confused:" >"

    EPCs are complete garbage. My house is Passivhaus-certified but has an EPC band of C.


    Thank you.. Sums it up.. :)
  4.  
    Sorry guys.but its an offer of sale not something I want to debate. But to answer the question about the case study I wrote it and it was published in Green Building Magazine
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017 edited
     
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    • CommentAuthormarktime
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2017
     
    This current set of contributors obviously have no idea with whom they are talking. And probably reflects how this forum is becoming more and more irrelevant.

    Visitors looking for ideas, information or first class technical advice about green building find that we have become a forum for DIY projects or keepimg chickens.

    What a difference to the contributions of people such as Biff Vernon. Mike above, Fostertom, Joiner and the many others who provided insight and guidance on what we were all about, building green.

    Good luck with your sale, Mike. It will be a dwelling that has been artfully improved to a standard way above your normal refurbishment and whoever buys it will have a home that will payback the care and attention to detail for many, many years to come.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2017
     
    Posted By: marktimeThis current set of contributors obviously have no idea with whom they are talking
    Too right

    Hi Mike, hope your well.
  5.  
    Thank you guys for the kind words :) . It's been a difficult couple of years hence my disappearing off here
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2017 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: marktime</cite>This current set of contributors obviously have no idea with whom they are talking. And probably reflects how this forum is becoming more and more irrelevant.
    Visitors looking for ideas, information or first class technical advice about green building find that we have become a forum for DIY projects or keepimg chickens.


    One sure way to drive away visitors, especially inexperienced ones who are unsure of building construction generally is to be rude, however obliquely.
    If questions have to be vetted as to some pre conceived, "green building", content criterion. then the forum WILL die. Those of us who have spent much of our lives in construction should be happy to help. Green building alone is quite a narrow subject from the public point of view so any one who ventures into this site should be welcomed.

    If any, Old Sweat, of a forum member is unhappy with their idea of discussion suitability then there are two choices; either up the quality of discussion by starting some, in their view, "more interesting" threads, or, quietly disappear.
  6.  
    Thanks Owlman, you have made a point v similar to the one I would have made this morning if I had not had to go to work!

    Yes, 'traffic' (and certainly number of contributors) seems to have dropped dramatically from the GBF 'heyday', but I still find it a very useful resource. People come and people go. And some old-timers stay a long time and contribute a consistency of approach which is always welcome.

    So well done, 'Oldies', and welcome newbies. If I had not been a member since before the fee, GBF would be the best sick squid I'd ever spent!

    And Mike, sorry to hear things have not been so good. Best wishes.

    Nick
  7.  
    Do you have a link to the article covering the project,? I may be able to pick up some good ideas.

    Thanks
  8.  
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2017
     
    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: goodevans"Superinsulated eco friendly" - with an EPC rating of Chttp:///newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/confused.gif" alt=":confused:" title=":confused:" >"

    EPCs are complete garbage. My house is Passivhaus-certified but has an EPC band of C.
    This feels like one of those posts I should bookmark for the next time I get in an argument in DIYNot.
    • CommentAuthordelprado
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2017
     
    £130 a month!? How much was the bill before improvements were made?
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2017 edited
     
    Hi Mike, and GBF crew.
    I'm still lurking too :-) Hope things are on the up, bet its a great house , you couldn't get a 2 bed flat round my way for that.
    • CommentAuthorgoodevans
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2017
     
    Mike,

    I've been away a few days otherwise I would have posted earlier. Apologies, truly It was my intention to question the EPC cert - not your build. Good luck for the future.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2017
     
    I'm still shaking my head at the thought of a Passivhaus with a C rating. :shocked:
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2017
     
    @gravelld,
    why? The two metrics (SAP and PHPP) measure different things... It is a bit like american gallons and uk gallons, similar but NOT the same.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2017
     
    My house has a C rating. A Passivhaus is comfortable, healthy and warm. Our house is none of these and yet we get the same rating because I slapped some PV panels on the roof. Meanwhile we get through 1500-1800L of kerosene a year. Oh well, at least we keep the wahabbis in operation.

    An aside: American gallons to UK gallons? Both measure the same thing - liquid capacity - don't they?
  9.  
    ''An aside: American gallons to UK gallons? Both measure the same thing - liquid capacity - don't they?''

    Yes, but they are not the same volume.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2017
     
    First they ruined our billion, next they'll be ruining our gallon.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2017
     
    yes, they already ruined the goldarm language...

    gg
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2017
     
    No but they have tried.
  10.  
    The main problem with EPCs is that the 'scale' seems completely useless - it fails to give any useful information to the reader.

    Those of us building way beyond buiding regs, highly airtight, very well insulated, with 100% low energy lighting are usually a B but can be a C.

    My house scored a 86 with the suggested action to get to an A (just - only 92) was the fit Solar Voltaics which they show in the 'expensive' case as having a 29 year payback (without cost of captial taken into account).

    Yet a Victorian flat with some fibreglass in the roof and double glazing gets a C. The suggested enhancement for that property were 50mm of internal/external wall insulation. The figures shown give a payback of between 66 and 174 years. And even after doing that it would still score a C.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2017
     
    The floor insulation suggestions are normally particularly... optimistic... in terms of estimated cost.
   
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