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    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2017
     
    Big day in France today for the "anti-Linky coalition"

    ("Linky" (as corny as it sounds...) being the name of EDF's smart meter).

    Although EDF was "forced open" (LOL) under EU anti-trust law -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lectricit%C3%A9_de_France#Status_of_EDF

    it nonetheless retains control of 80% of power generation, not to mention the French grid.
    (As an aside, EDF supplies around 5% of UK energy...)

    End-user electricity distribution in France is operated by ENEDIS, whose main shareholder happens to be... EDF.

    ENEDIS are the people who jam their foot in the door of old ladies etc. to force them to have a smart meter...
    and the same people who will have your car towed if you are away but accidentally parked in front of your outside -meter door...

    ENEDIS is a monopoly, delivering electricity irrespective of who your actual supplier is. It wants to install 35 million smart meters by 2021, telling consumers that they cannot refuse the installation. The reason being that "smart meters save energy".

    So far four million have been installed, either by common accord or by use of "le forcing".

    The total market for smart meters in France (electricity, gas, water...) being 80 million units, ENEDIS cannot afford to foul up on the issue...

    As for EDF, it is currently having to change its "general conditions of sale" for its entire customer base. They run to 20 pages, and they want folks to accept the document by email, otherwise 500 tonnes of paper is involved.

    The conditions state that you agree to hand over billing authority to ENEDIS (with whom customers do not have any contract...).
    They also state that any information acquired by ENEDIS can be used at latter's discretion, since ENEDIS "data collection complies with data-protection law".
    They also state that if you do not agree to the new conditions, then you can "change supplier"
    This is perceived by many people as yet another threat...

    Since the French don't like being told what to do, "anti-linky coalitions" have sprung up around the country and on the WWW. Around 300 to 400 town halls have already voted deliberations to prevent roll-out of Linky on their territory (given that the mairies own the infrastrucure) (because of the land on which it stands...) even though actual management of said infrastructure is (often...) farmed out to a "syndicat".

    Mairies actually lease land directly to ENEDIS for installation of infrastructure (such as transformer stations, poles, trenches, masts...).

    Most mayors refuse to call ENEDIS to order (for whatever reasons one might suppose).
    Some who have done, have been dragged before the courts.
    Other mayors use this jurisprudence as an excuse for inactivity.
    Yet the boss of ENEDIS stated before a parliamentary select committee (on Yourtubes...) that Linky was "not obligatory".

    (In fact ENEDIS by its own statements appears to have a target of "80 percent roll-out").

    Therefore there is a circus-dog effect whereby activists are trying to ensure *THEIR* LA hits the 20%
    OUF! sector...

    Other activists are just plain against the principle of smart metering, period.

    In 2013, the courts rejected anti-linky arguments presented in four high-profile cases.

    Today the CE is hearing evidence from opposing parties (the State and Enedis on the one hand, and their detractors on the other), before issuing judgement (likely in January 2018).

    https://blogs.mediapart.fr/alicia-deys/blog/301117/les-opposants-au-linky-interpellent-le-conseil-detat

    So Watch This Space...

    gg
    =====================
    what is the Conseil d'Etat
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Conseil-dEtat
    • CommentAuthorSilky
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2017 edited
     
    interesting stuff, reminds me a bit of the EU's forced connection of villages to the main sewer, that led to one of the local mayors being arrested for non-compliance here,

    I didn't get where you stand on this, are smart meters good for the environment or a threat from big brother? Maybe they will all be connected to the big data collecion center in Brussels that the CIA is building.
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    Posted By: SilkyI didn't get where you stand on this, are smart meters good for the environment or a threat from big brother?

    How about a threat from big brother dressed up as good for the environment.:shocked:
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2017
     
    Smart-meters are a useful tool for forcing customers to pay more for electricity. Once these meters are universally installed then variable rate charges can quickly and easily be applied i.e. inflated prices for using electricity in the mornings say from 6 to 9am and then again from 5 to 10pm and standard rate for all other times.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2017
     
    Posted By: SilkyI didn't get where you stand on this


    Good !

    It was supposed to be objective-informative, and not subjective-rant :bigsmile:
    so I guess I succeeded on that score !

    Personally, I am dead against !

    (The hardest bit being to persuade the wife, who -- despite my best pedagogical efforts -- doesn't get what the problem is...).

    gg
  2.  
    Surely the problem is that the damned things are not secure :-).

    Does our Privy Council not still work in French?
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2017 edited
     
    Is *any* data secure ?

    (even the NSA got shafted...)

    Yrs ect.

    Edwin Snowdon
    :devil:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017
     
    The security issue is rather moot now as our government, for our personal benefit, is going to allow customer data sharing between suppliers.
    They are doing the same with our banking data as well.
    https://www.computerworlduk.com/applications/is-2017-year-that-open-banking-becomes-reality-in-uk-3653824/
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017
     
    How awful - just think, Damian Green, poring over my electric bills and my wife's shoe purchases all day...

    gg

    :shocked:
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaThey are doing the same with our banking data as well.

    Well, according to my bank, there will be exactly zero data available for sharing unless and until I give explicit permission. They're one of the banks writing the standard, so I'm hopeful it will work. I view it as a lottery; if they leak my data the compensation will be like winning a lottery.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017
     
    You did not hear Moneybox last week then. Was about the Equifax data leak. They get you to do the work and offer nothing in return.
    I must check with my bank as to what they are doing. I don't think the big banks are keen on the idea, unlike the small and 'challenger' ones.

    We could just go down the Venezuela route and use a cryptocurrency.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaYou did not hear Moneybox last week then. Was about the Equifax data leak. They get you to do the work and offer nothing in return.

    You're right I didn't hear Moneybox, whatever that is, and as a result I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't understand the relevance of Equifax to the current subject, nor who 'they' are.
  3.  
    Moneybox = Radio 4 money prog. I don't know what Equifax is either!
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017
     
    Ignorant lot :wink:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41737241

    It was not just the USA users.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017
     
    Equifax is a credit scoring agency that has experienced a data-leak scandal recently. But I don't know its relevance to the banks' forthcoming open data interface.
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2017 edited
     
    No, I doubt you do as I was just responding to some of your questions.


    Posted By: djhif they leak my data the compensation will be like winning a lottery.


    Posted By: djhthe relevance of Equifax to the current subject, nor who 'they' are.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaNo, I doubt you do as I was just responding to some of your questions.

    And I'm still none the wiser! ???

    Posted By: djhif they leak my data the compensation will be like winning a lottery.

    This isn't a question. And I don't see how you're responding to it.

    Posted By: djhthe relevance of Equifax to the current subject, nor who 'they' are.

    I still don't understand the relevance of Equifax nor who 'they' are ('they' as in 'They are doing the same with our banking data as well.')
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