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    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2018
     
    We need to have our metered moved from the garage (to be knocked down) into the house. I applied to SSE and today they have advised that someone will come around tomorrow to quote. But I was informed they are quoting just to move the supply cables, not the meter. This I will have to get done by my energy supplier. Is this how its done now? If I get an electrician to move the consumer box thats 3 people on site. Is there a better way, can someone move supply and meter?

    Thanks

    Andy
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2018
     
    No, they're right, you need all three. Find your sparkie first; he'll be able to guide you through it. You can dig a trench and install a duct with draw cord on your own land where the new cable needs to go, which may save a few quid.

    Are SSE your DNO? They sound like they're being quite helpful. You could always switch to them as supplier as well to make blame allocation simpler, although the meter chaps probably won't be employed by the supplier anyway, they'll be third-party specialists.

    There's an interesting catch-22. The supplier's agents (the meter men) won't connect the supply unless they have a sign-off from the electrician saying that all the customer wiring is kosher and tested. The electrician can't sign a full test until power has been applied! Interesting to see who blinks first.
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2018
     
    Blimey thats progress?

    But thanks for heads up. At this stage the wiring would remain as is, obviously moved slightly to (new) consumer unit in new position. Longer term it will all be replaced, but this is just to help builder demolish a few walls. I think we will need some creative thinking, I really don't want 3 bills for what is just a short term work around.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2018
     
    BTW, presumably they'll want the meter on the outside of the house?
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2018
     
    I did wonder, but with "smart meters" hoped that requirement might be redundant. Soon find out
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2018
     
    Very helpful chap from SSE. The meter does not have to be outside. However due to various constraints mine will have to be. The cable can not run in the loft and effectively after my garage is converted that would be were the cable would find itself. SSE co-ordinate with my energy supplier to ensure both turn up on the same day. So SSE move cable to a new box that I have installed. My supplier comes in and connects the meter. I'm not sure if they would connect the tails from the new consumer unit into the meter if they were handy or if an electrician needs to do that. All seems a bit mad and wont the meter installer and then the electrician be dealing with a live supply?

    He also added that in these cases they appreciate that typically the consumer unit and cabling will be in a temporary state as circuits are moved over.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2018
     
    Posted By: andyman99My supplier comes in and connects the meter. I'm not sure if they would connect the tails from the new consumer unit into the meter if they were handy or if an electrician needs to do that.

    The supplier connects the tails from the incoming fuse or isolator to the meter. Your electrician connects the tails from the meter to the consumer unit.

    Yes, the supply will be live, and note that they won't work if it happens to be raining. The consumer unit tails may or may not be live, depending on whether there's an isolator fitted.
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    Posted By: djh depending on whether there's an isolator fitted.

    Perhaps an excellent opportunity to ensure that there is an isolator? Shouldn't cost much. Can be very handy.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2018
     
    Posted By: skyewright
    Posted By: djhdepending on whether there's an isolator fitted.

    Perhaps an excellent opportunity to ensure that there is an isolator? Shouldn't cost much. Can be very handy.

    It's up to the supplier's policy as it's their equipment. I think they're fairly common nowadays.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2018
     
    +1 almost a certainty without asking
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2018
     
    Yes thanks, great idea. I seem to remember having an isolator at my last property, but that was with a small digital meter (20+ years ago). But the meter failed and was replaced with a conventional one and no isolator. Still think moving live tails seems a bit strange in our health and safety conscious society.
    I'm awaiting an ack on the appointment date from my suppliers meter movers. I believe CoOp sub contract this out. Will see if I can discuss this with them.
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    Posted By: andyman99I seem to remember having an isolator at my last property, but that was with a small digital meter (20+ years ago). But the meter failed and was replaced with a conventional one and no isolator.

    Ours is physically separate from the meter, sitting between the meter and the CU.. I believe it's a Wylex 100A DP Supply Isolator?

    Still think moving live tails seems a bit strange in our health and safety conscious society.

    I believe it's called 'working hot'? Most likely involves very long heavy duty rubber gauntlets and other safety gear?
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    Posted By: skyewright
    Still think moving live tails seems a bit strange in our health and safety conscious society.

    I believe it's called 'working hot'? Most likely involves very long heavy duty rubber gauntlets and other safety gear?

    The alternative to working hot is to shut down - usually the area - so that work can happen on dead cables. The implications for frequent disruption of service to all on the sub station makes the pragmatic solution of working hot sensible. And yes there are a raft of safety procedures to be followed including one man standing there doing nothing with his hands in his pockets waiting for "THE EVENT" which everyone hopes never happens (at least that is what happens here)
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