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    • CommentAuthorsmokeyjon
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2018
     
    Hi all
    Sorry for another MVHR newbie post I've been reading up a bit but I can tell that u all understand this better than me!

    So I've been thinking about MVHR for a while. We've been renovating a 60s bungalow (concrete block, insulated cavities) and extending the basement to create a house (300cu m) for a while and I'm yet to fit out new bathroom and utility downstairs, both of which will need MV.

    We also suffer high humidity (typically 60+% if not using dehumidifier) with mild damp issues and are allergy sufferers. We're in Plymouth, so could just be the marine climate?

    I was planning to see if things got better once we've expanded into 2 floors (kids will have affection each then, and we'll have a kitchen extract at least!)...

    ..but then a friend of mine said he'd got a Toshiba MVHR unit ( vn-m150he) from work and it'll be available cheap...
    So it's partly the usual questions ie:
    - is it worth bothering as an extract system when we probably can't get fully airtight (we have pv which'll offset the cost/carbon footprint during daylight hours), and bearing in mind that it's probably too small a unit for our house (exchanging half its volume per hour)
    - does anyone know anything about these units eg whether they're any good etc

    I'm just after a steer as to whether it's worth looking into more. If so I will need to figure out where to mount it and duct routes etc (it won't fit through loft hatch but may slide between rafters if I strip and relay some roof.

    Many thanks in advance for any thoughts...
    John
    • CommentAuthorsmokeyjon
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2018
     
    Affection = a bedroom!!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2018
     
    Posted By: smokeyjon..but then a friend of mine said he'd got a Toshiba MVHR unit ( vn-m150he) from work and it'll be available cheap...
    So it's partly the usual questions ie:
    - is it worth bothering as an extract system when we probably can't get fully airtight (we have pv which'll offset the cost/carbon footprint during daylight hours), and bearing in mind that it's probably too small a unit for our house (exchanging half its volume per hour)
    - does anyone know anything about these units eg whether they're any good etc

    Can't help very much but:

    - how airtight do you think your house is? Are there draughts everywhere, or average, or it feels 'tight'? The better it is, the more use an MVHR is, versus continuous mechanical extraction etc
    - too small is generally not good, since it will make more noise when its working hard. But 150 m³/hr with a volume of 300 m³ is better than the building regs minimum of 0.44 ACH so it is a possibility
    - Toshiba doesn't even appear as a brand in the SAP Appendix Q database, so it's not exactly a mainstream option in this country at least.

    It depends on how cheap it is, but it might be better to consider spending a bit more on something more mainstream. Definitely check out maintenance and guarantees if you still want to go ahead.
    • CommentAuthorsmokeyjon
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2018
     
    Thanks djh.
    I reckon we could get REASONABLY airtight... Downstairs is pretty much underground plus new extension that I insulated with my OCD approach. Building regs wanted trickle vents downstairs though and we're fitting axwoodburner withnno option for dedicated air supply. Upstairs is pvc double glazed with no trickle vents and suspended timber floor insulated from underneath with earthwool.

    I noticed Toshiba wasn't on the databases that I found in another link. Its from a commercial installation I think and the manual suggests it can be used alone or with a/c units. Perhaps it's more typically used commercially?? They retail at £945 but I'm hoping I'd get for half that. Still there's a lot of cost in ductwork and controls I expect plus the faff. I do like faffing though... Unless it comes to nothing useful!!

    I'll have a look into maintenance etc but I may well let it pass unless I can find out anything more encouraging about the unit!!! I'm not sure we're committed (or airtight) enough to go for a full cost solution so I guess my question was also whether MVHR is an all or nothing thing or whether there can be merit in persuing a half hearted approach over a couple of new regular extractor fans!!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2018
     
    Posted By: smokeyjonwe're fitting axwoodburner withnno option for dedicated air supply

    Forget any ideas of airtightness then! By the time you've made the big hole in the wall for airflow that will be required, you'll have draughts a plenty.

    I guess my question was also whether MVHR is an all or nothing thing or whether there can be merit in persuing a half hearted approach over a couple of new regular extractor fans!!

    Regular extract fans aren't designed to be run continuously. You'll do better to look at something called Mechanical Extract Ventilation (MEV) or Decentralised Mechanical Extract Ventilation (DMEV or D-MEV). There's also something called Positive Input Ventilation (PIV), which is very popular in places like Sweden but has for some reason been deprecated here.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2018
     
    Another twist on MEV is DC (Demand Control) MEV which runs up or down depending on whatever is being measured, e.g. humidity, CO2. AFAIK MEV normally just runs at the same rate.

    If you have any design on high performance I think you should consider a wood burner with a dedicated air supply (and a suitably impressive looking certification).
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