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Posted By: djhPosted By: JontiIt certainly is an effort to be self sufficient but that is the way that we need to go.
Why do you think it is necessary or even a good idea for every property to be self-sufficient? Why are communal schemes bad? What is wrong with local, national, international and even intercontinental electricity transmission?
Posted By: JontiIt makes people more aware of what their consumption rates are as well as making people and therefore the country more resilient.
Posted By: Jonti
It makes people more aware of what their consumption rates are as well as making people and therefore the country more resilient.
Posted By: djhPosted By: JontiIt makes people more aware of what their consumption rates are as well as making people and therefore the country more resilient.
And you seriously think that's a good enough reason to make it compulsory?
PS So you're suggesting that the only windpower that is acceptable is individual units fitted in private gardens? Or you think that we should abandon windpower altogether? Ditto tidal, wave power, hydro, geothermal etc etc.
Posted By: philedgePosted By: Jonti
It makes people more aware of what their consumption rates are as well as making people and therefore the country more resilient.
From what youre suggesting the country wont need any resilience as it will be every one for themselves. I think capital cost would preclude everyone being self sufficient and as the tax payer has already paid for communal infrastructure I dont see how global self sufficiency would be funded.
Posted By: JontiI don't believe I ever used or suggested it should be 'compulsory'. Nor do I say that ALL a properties energy needs should be covered by its own capacity to generate just that it should be self sufficient meaning able to function through its own efforts.
Posted By: WillInAberdeenJonti didn't mention compulsion. Many governments have preferred to use incentives (eg RHI) or cross-subsidy (FiT, ECO) or market forces (smart tariffs), rather than compulsory measures (eg rental EPCs).
Heat pumps work just fine for gathering (solar) energy in midwinter.
Some homes will need a greater% of their heating to be delivered externally (eg blocks of flats) and some will generate a greater % themselves (eg rural passivhauses).
Posted By: Jonti
So are you suggesting that nobody should do any work on improving their properties? and just what am I suggesting in your opinion that it causes such an outlandish post by yourself?
Posted By: JontiIf done to a sufficient level such as a 'passivhaus' level then little to no extra heat is required and so the property can be reasonably be described as self sufficient.
Whether this is done through solar, wind and whether this is a total solo scheme or as part of a collective one is irrelevant.
Posted By: Jontiif you want to take what I wrote, alter it and then answer your altered text go ahead. If you want to put a description on what 'self sufficient' is that makes it impossible to call anything self sufficient just so you can prove some small minded point then again feel free.
Posted By: Jeff BA similar situation of course in the middle East where for too long oil rich countries have called the shotsWhat, you mean like being parcelled out amongst the imperial powers in 20s/30s and post WW2 subjected to three major oil wars so far and perpetual subversion/regime change/support of autocracies etc?
Posted By: djhPosted By: Jontiif you want to take what I wrote, alter it and then answer your altered text go ahead. If you want to put a description on what 'self sufficient' is that makes it impossible to call anything self sufficient just so you can prove some small minded point then again feel free.
Self sufficient is easy - No external power sources.
Posted By: JontiThen can you a name a single thing that on the planet that is self sufficient by your definition?
Posted By: Jeff BThe UK is an island
Posted By: djhBritain is an island, which incorporates most of England, Wales and Scotland but not Northern IrelandNot quite - that island is called 'Great Britain' hence UK of 'Great Britain and Northern Ireland' but strangely that doesn't include IoW or even Isle of Sheppey! - they are though included in the British Isles (which also includes Ireland!) i.e. the 'great' in GB isn't meant to include all the smaller islands of UK. Complicated - as Trump wisely explained to his constituency: 'A lot of people don't know that Scotland is part of England'.
Posted By: fostertomNot quite - that island is called 'Great Britain'
Posted By: djhthat's somewhat of a political statement. I vote for simplicity rather than embiggenment/aggrandisementNot political - is old naming that you'll find on old maps, Wikipedia etc. Believe me, I have no interest in painting Britain 'great'!
Posted By: djhPosted By: JontiThen can you a name a single thing that on the planet that is self sufficient by your definition?
Any of the off-gridders on this forum, to start with.
Posted By: JontiSo where are they getting their power from?
Posted By: djh
Self sufficient is easy - No external power sources.
Posted By: JontiSolar powered by external source sun, wind external source is wind, hydro is water......
Of course by my definition they are eligible as self sufficient but not by yours
Posted By: JontiSolar powered by external source sun, wind external source is wind, hydro is water......
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Posted By: djhPosted By: JontiSolar powered by external source sun, wind external source is wind, hydro is water......
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Oops, you're quite right. I thought I had written external power connections, but I didn't. And I expect there's holes in that statement too.