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    Haven't used a desktop printer in years at home but now I've set up my own company and working from home in looking for recommendations for an all in one? Printer and OCR scanner.

    I always found a lot of the time the ones I did have used to have to be booked for a number of reasons including drying up of ink etc.

    I don't need to print photos in high quality but may need to print the odd picture here and there.

    Also one that doesn't use too much ink either and expensive to fill.

    Thanks in advance
    spent years monkeying around with inkjets, refilling cartridges etc. Now use a HP laserjetPro 2000 colour, which can copy and scan, scanning being essential for reducing paper usage. The inkjets burn half the ink cleaning heads and prep'ing each time you go to print.

    They all are disgustingly wasteful in terms of throw away cartridges, but the laserjets can be returned for re-use.
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2019
    Wot GreenPaddy said. Gave up on inkjets years ago. Personally I've got a Samsung CLP415NW laserjet but the HP ones are OK. I use an Epson scanner.
    • CommentAuthorneilu
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2019
    I agree with previous comments.

    I run a small business (just me) and have a brother laser printer/scanner/copier.
    It's great but laser printers usually don't give great quality photo.

    One thing you should check is the cost of toner cartridges for your printer.

    My printer cost £250, a set of 4 new genuine brother toners also costs £250 which will do 1500 pages.
    So I made sure I could get cheaper re-filled ones.
    I now pay £80 for a set.
    What model do you have? Cheers
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2019
    Don't overlook Xerox laser printers - my Phaser 7100 is colour A3, for architectural working drawings but sadly isn't a scanner - don't know their current range. To me, it does pretty good colour, and inked areas (i.e. the whole of photos) come out semi-glossy, which is a bit classy. Also laser prints don't run if they get wet! The four toner cartridges cost from £22 on ebay, sometimes less for a set, and seem to last for ages.
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2019
    What is standby power use on a laser printer these days ... it used to be a fair few watts.

    I have a brother inkjet MFC J6530DW for several months now. It scans and prints A3 which I need for work.
    With Brother cash back (£60) it was under £100 in the summer. It is a shame ti does not have two paper trays but it is quick to move between A3 and A4.

    It is a big lump though !

    Full set of "equivalent" inks on amazon were £24 and should be good for 3000 pages, these seem fine. (Kingway)

    I have had similar A3 Brother printers ( 2 off) for last 8 years and they have been good, but really impressed with this newer model for what we need it for. They ran on equivalent similar ink suppliers.

    Photo printing was surprisingly pretty good when printed at A4
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2019
    Posted By: LFWhat is standby power use on a laser printer these days ... it used to be a fair few watts.

    Zero on mine - I turn it off except when I'm using it. :bigsmile:
    Look at used/reconditioned professional grade printers on eBay. I'm not up to speed with what the "standard" office printer is these days but it used to be some generation of the HP Laserjet 4000.

    I picked up a Laserjet 4000 well over a decade ago with about 10k pages on it (they're designed to print 50k a month or something ludicrous) for about £100, added a duplexer for a little more. It looks like I've printed about 15k pages on it in that time. I think I ran out the original cartridge and paid £60ish (again on eBay) for a genuine high capacity (10k pages) cartridge and it's still on that. at some point it needed a replacement roller or something but again because they're so common the spare parts are cheap and easy to find.

    Yes, it's b&w only but if you only need colour very occasionally use a print shop. Otherwise I'm sure the same cost logic apply to colour lasers - buy a commonly used reconditioned enterprise quality printer and the 'generic' print supplies will be much cheaper

    Scanner? Unless you need really high quality scans an app on your phone is quicker and easier.
    oh, and yes, the standby power consumption of some older printers is shocking BUT I run mine on an Energenie rundown timer plug (they used to do one with a button on a cable so it's attached to the monitor but the actual socket is somewhere under the desk) so it just gets switched on for an hour or so when I'm actually using it.
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2019
    Good shout on the standby power and turning off.

    The big inkjet is 5 W just checked. IT does a flush periodically, so would not want it off all the time, but I will put it on a timer plug so it gets a start once a day with override for when we want it to print. 5 W is 44 kWh a year £7

    I guess the inkjet warms up and then cools down after use wasting some power.
    I do need colour for the business I run for home and could not see

    Will do another purge on standby power usage in the house, it has been a while ... and battery is in it now.
    I miss the power meter on the mains feed as that died ... I can put clamp meter on for the whole picture but it has no remote screen.
    • CommentAuthorneilu
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2019
    I have a Brother Brother MFC9330CDW and a similar model that uses the same toner cartridges at home.
    Although I don't think this model is manufactured any longer.

    The office printer does duplex printing (prints on both sides of the same sheet of paper) which is useful when I occasionally need to produce a booklet type document.
    Any recommended apps for android Simon for scanning?

    It's only for receipts and invoices mainly. I want something with OCR to make finding them easier later on
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2019
    Posted By: LFWill do another purge on standby power usage in the house, it has been a while ... and battery is in it now.
    I miss the power meter on the mains feed as that died ... I can put clamp meter on for the whole picture but it has no remote screen.

    I've got an OpenEnergyMonitor system to watch my power consumption & generation and various temperatures. I'm about to add some humidity sensors as well. It seems to work well.
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: LF</cite>The big inkjet is 5 W just checked.</blockquote>

    Old laser printers are really hungry. LJ4000 is supposedly 18W standby, 16 in 'power save'. Really doesn't matter if it's on for an hour or two each week but chunky if 24/7

    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Victorianeco</cite>Any recommended apps for android Simon for scanning?</blockquote>

    Can't recommend anything but I know there are specific 'expenses' apps around for scanning receipts and doing claims. (and Xero has it as an optional extra) https://www.online-tech-tips.com/software-reviews/10-of-the-best-apps-to-scan-and-manage-receipts/
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2019
    I've had a (colour) laser for probably 10-12 years - 3 different makes. All about the same. I reckon the life is 3-4 years before replacing is better than fixing. Current one is an OKI.

    I'd look for the printer on offer right now but check toner prices. Many of the newer printers have chips in the toner cartridges so self filling is pretty much impossible. I've used cartridges from cartridgesave.co.uk for a numebr of years without issue (except once when they replaced a 80% used one that had failed).

    Also consider the printing from mobile/app capability - this does vary. Being able to print and email from your phone/tablet might be a user case you need.

    Note, many machines come with 'starter' cartridges - so smaller than the replacements. This needs to go into the cost/benefit analysis.

    I have a separate A3 brother MFC which is really useful both for printing A3 and scanning A4.
    Borpin - that's why I'd recommend an enterprise grade printer. the embedded energy cost is huge - theres no way you should be throwing them away after as little as 3 years. "Domestic" grade stuff is built to be disposable.
    So far I've not had to print anything. Been quite meticulous in setting up my Google drive efficiently.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2019
    I've used several brands in the past and FWIW I personally prefer Epson scanning software, so that would guide my own choice. I'd also recommend a laser.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2019
    Posted By: Simon StillBorpin - that's why I'd recommend an enterprise grade printer.
    I know the theory and I agree I shouldn't, but in this case, wallet wins over eco :sad:.

    Oh and my recent experience of 'enterprise' printers is they break down very frequently!
    • CommentAuthorsnyggapa
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2019
    If you can pick up an Oki laser they used to give 3 years onsite warranty. Of course the initial toners are comedy sized so factor in 3rd party replacements.

    Just looked at printerland and kyocera now look to have 4 year warranty. They also show cost per page. Note that the more you pay for the printer the cheaper cost per page, sometimes substantially.
    • CommentAuthordb8000
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2019
    Really pleased so far with HP Officejet Pro 8720. Duplex printing and scanning.
    Switched from Epson as quality was poor.
    My wife runs a small business so it gets fairly light but regular use.
    I’ve used the print from iPhone capabilities and scan to email or network folder (on PC).
    I haven’t tried photos but all colour invites to the kids party were good on it. It’s fast too, really fast.

    HP do an ink subscription where the printer orders the ink for you. Good value if you print near the monthly limits.

    There are apps on iPhone that scan, read and store receipts. They look clever but I don’t quite need it enough to have justified the monthly subscription.
    • CommentAuthorbogal2
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2019 edited
    I use laserjet printers at work. Its a bit disappointing though when you realise the ink is just melted plastic!
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