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    • CommentAuthorbardo
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2020
     
    Hi all, we are trying to move forward with our self build at this time when sourcing materials is a great challenge. Our aim is to complete the home by next Autumn and avoid living with our kids in the cold sheds over winter again.
    For our suspended timber floor we opted to use Knauf Omni Fit glass mineral wool and save money rather than cosywool, however can't seem to source it for love nor money. Can anyone recommend an alternative quilt which doesn't emit VOCs and may be available for delivery.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2020
     
    Have you asked Knauf? The list that Colin linked to on another thread said they are open for business, as are several distributors.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2020
     
    50 and 100mm appear to be on the Wickes website and they do home delivery but I can't comment on the price...

    https://www.wickes.co.uk/Products/Building-Materials/Insulation/Cavity-Wall-Insulation/c/1000273
    • CommentAuthorbardo
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2020 edited
     
    Posted By: djhHave you asked Knauf? The list that Colin linked to on another thread said they are open for business, as are several distributors.


    Thank you, yes I've tried Knauf and all the large distributors, SIG, Encon and the like. Colin's list is helpful. SIG, who have a partial supply operating, have said they can't source the slabs at the moment and offered me the equivalent product in 100mm thick combo roll form. I need to insulate 270mm depth and was wondering if I use 3 x 100mm combo rolls would that work out even though it's technically more volume than the space allows. Also, the roll thermal performance is 0.040 W/mK compared to 0.035 W/mK for the slab. Would that be appreciably different? I need to get the insulation in the floor asap to continue with the rest of the build.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2020
     
    Well, ignoring the timber fraction, the U-value of 270 mm of 0.035 is 0.13 W/m²K, whilst that of 0.040 is 0.15 W/m²K so it's a bit worse of course but not too bad unless you have specific values you're trying to hit.

    You'll certainly be able to compress 300 mm of roll into 270 mm space. It may even improve the U-value a bit.
    • CommentAuthorPetlyn
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2020
     
    We believe we have contacted you before regarding glass insulation in either bead or board form.

    If you only have 270mm depth of void, our previous suggestion of expanded glass beads should be the best option in terms of inflammability and longevity. Yes, the Lambda value is 0.066 but compared with quilt which settles, the 0.066 does not degrade over time and the initial improved Lambda value of the quilt at 0.04 is not great when you compare it with the other end of the spectrum such as aluminium at 250.0.

    The beads (4-8mm in diameter) are much improved in terms of insulation over other products such as Leca, Lytag or Veriso and are immediately available in 0.5m3 bags and can be loaded onto flatbed transport or a curtainsider. As loose-fill, they can be easily poured and will follow contours either above or below to fill the void.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2020
     
    The U-value of 270 mm of 0.066 insulation is 0.24 W/m²K.

    I wouldn't expect mineral wool slabs or roll to settle much at all, particularly if compressed a bit to start with.

    I wouldn't recommend insulating a floor with solid aluminium. I don't think it would pass Building Regs :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2020
     
    Posted By: djhYou'll certainly be able to compress 300 mm of roll into 270 mm space. It may even improve the U-value a bit.

    Or worsen it, as the size of the interstices between the fibres will be reduced.
    • CommentAuthorbardo
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2020
     
    Posted By: PetlynWe believe we have contacted you before regarding glass insulation in either bead or board form.

    If you only have 270mm depth of void, our previous suggestion of expanded glass beads should be the best option in terms of inflammability and longevity. Yes, the Lambda value is 0.066 but compared with quilt which settles, the 0.066 does not degrade over time and the initial improved Lambda value of the quilt at 0.04 is not great when you compare it with the other end of the spectrum such as aluminium at 250.0.

    The beads (4-8mm in diameter) are much improved in terms of insulation over other products such as Leca, Lytag or Veriso and are immediately available in 0.5m3 bags and can be loaded onto flatbed transport or a curtainsider. As loose-fill, they can be easily poured and will follow contours either above or below to fill the void.


    You have contacted me a few times. However the costs and method of application seemed prohibitive. You can if you wish let me know the price to fill a void of 270mm x 102m2. I'm using 9mm OSB board fixed on top of the ijoist flanges to support the insulation. Would this hold the beads in place? Finaly, what is your interest in the material you are promoting? Thanks kindly...
    • CommentAuthorPetlyn
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2020
     
    Our limited supply remaining from our low carbon self-build as a result of change in design is 50 x 0.5m3 builder's big bags which can be loaded onto flatbed or curtainsider transport, each weighing 100kgs approx and can be lifted on site by four people or moved on the ground by two for pouring into place.

    The amount you require net of the joist volume would seem to be around the total we have remaining, as we have recently sold to several other people, one from Scotland.

    The total price will to some extent depend upon transport cost as we are prepared to negotiate to some degree as all insulation materials are bulky but relatively light. The total weight of the consignment will approach 5 tonnes for transport purposes but in terms of bulk will require a larger vehicle.

    Depending upon quantity, we have sold to others at between £110 & £75 a bag and because you would clear the 50 bag remainder we have for sale, we would need to recover £60/bag - substantially under the cost price delivered to us on an entire 40ft trailer from the manufacturers.

    We hope this answers fully the queries you raise.
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