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Green Building Bible, Fourth Edition
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    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2020
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenAye my loon

    You perhaps need to explain what you meant by this, if you didn't mean it as an insult. It's apparently Scottish and maybe literary and google suggests it is calling somebody a crazy person. So if it had been said to me, I wouldn't have a clue what was intended.
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2020
    Posted By: JontiThe only reason for expecting liability to transfer to the new owner is if the builder has no confidence in the quality of the building's construction in which case maybe it is best for them not to build in the first place.

    There is no other product that the maker does not have to offer a reasonable length of guarantee on the product and it is about time that housing was no longer the exception.

    I think the situation is quite complicated. Self-built houses are not 'products' in the same way that objects mass-produced in a factory are - they wouldn't be CE marked. Same as self-built boats or cars.

    The law in general transfers responsibility for an object from the seller to the buyer when it is sold. Part of the purpose of selling is to relieve the seller of responsibility. Caveat emptor. Consumer protection laws are an exception to the principle, because of the great imbalance between the seller and the buyer.

    One can easily argue for better protection for the buyer when they buy a 'mass'-produced (or factory produced?) dwelling from a large company and problems arise due to errors in construction, or due to errors in regulation, but I think it's more difficult to make a case for self-builders or even small builders. Unless intent to deceive or defraud is proven, of course. It's not as though the buyer doesn't (or can't) know what they are buying. You're still liable for church roof repairs if you're careless enough to buy a property with such responsibilities attached.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2020 edited
    Posted By: Jontithanks for the insult.
    As I've heard the word used “loon” is more-or-less “lad” so WiA's greeting was akin to somebody from Yorkshire writing “Ay lad”.

    Edit to add: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loon#Scots
    Jonti lives near me, and greets me in Doric in other threads.
    Aberdeen Uni's 3-minute language course:

    Fit like my loon == wotcha mate

    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2020 edited
    Well it's possible that there may be some reform. Among other things, the 2016 & 2018 reports from the All Party Parliamentary Group for Excellence in the Built Environment recommend a thorough review of warranties on new homes.

    Apparently there are currently up to 17 new home warranty bodies in the UK, but I only know of 3 open to self-builders (Premier and LABC - both MD Insurance Services products - plus NHBC). There must be some risk that, if warranty requirements are toughened and made compulsory, self-building may be excluded and become a precarious activity - as it is in France - or limited to those who can afford to commission a builder.
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2020
    Warranties definitely need reform. I couldn't get one for mine because of the non-standard construction, so I went with an Architect's Certificate just in case we did need to sell for some reason. But I've heard of too many cases where they don't pay out when people expect them to, so at a minimum expectations have been set wrongly.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2020
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenJonti lives near me, and greets me in Doric in other threads.


    I would love to see an example of where I have greeted you in a uniquely 'Doric' way!!! I am sorry if you are having to sell your property and none of my comments were meant to be 'you' in particular.


    thanks for the link. Interesting as I have never heard it used that way only as a derogatory slur.


    I cannot see why a house is seen as anything else other than 'goods' or a 'product'. I would suggest that most people would want some sort of insurance that when buying a house it does meet a minimal standard. This should be achieved through building warrants but unfortunately this is no longer the case. I would suggest that 99% of self builds are done to a higher standard than any of the big builders achieve but this does not mean there should not be the same checks and balances put in place for them.

    There are other countries where self builders are put through the same system as any other builder and must give a guarantee for a period after the build is signed off. These countries also have a much better quality of construction amongst the bigger firms than we do here.
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