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Posted By: bot de pailleIf research and government funding was poured into it, it could be made affordable and economic.
Tarrifs are based on the difference bwteen production and demand. simple market economics. Energy storage would render this difference meaningless.
Posted By: bot de paille
Large scale national energy storage is important, but so is local domestic energy storage,because whilst we all follow similar patterns of usage through out the day which can be roughly predicted, home storage would allow the necissary flexibility on an individual home basis.
Households can generate their own electricity in any manner they wish and store and use it.
Posted By: bhommelsPosted By: bot de paille
Large scale national energy storage is important, but so is local domestic energy storage,because whilst we all follow similar patterns of usage through out the day which can be roughly predicted, home storage would allow the necissary flexibility on an individual home basis.
Households can generate their own electricity in any manner they wish and store and use it.
I don't see why domestic storage is so important. To me domestic battery storage looks like a gadget to boost "green credentials" where in reality it has very little potential for reducing CO2 emissions.
It would be better to have the householder invest the money in reducing energy demand (insulation?) instead, and put the batteries in a location, and under the control of, a renewables operator.
Posted By: WillInAberdeenIf enough consumers can buy their own home batteries for less than £200 per kWh, then grid-scale storage wouldn't be needed. But I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon, given most folks' resistance (on this thread and more generally) to even having a time-of-use electricity meter installed for free, nevermind changing the time they import electricity.
Posted By: bot de pailleSufficient Battery storage eliminates the onpeak/off peak supply and demand paradigm.
Posted By: WillInAberdeen£200 per kWh of peaktime capacity, which I think is cheaper than home batteries.Chinese EV batteries are said to be down to $100/kWh at pack level now so I'd be expecting £200/kWh domestic batteries well before the end of the decade.
Posted By: djhPosted By: bot de pailleSufficient Battery storage eliminates the onpeak/off peak supply and demand paradigm.
For which market - wholesale or retail?
One other factor to think about with batteries is the risk. Any energy storage device has a risk associated with it, that needs to be managed. It's easier and likely more cost effective to manage the proper maintenance of lithium batteries in central, commercial installations than it is in individual homes. Not yet a big problem but as more batteries are installed and the age of the batteries increases there will be some fires.
But I think you and I will just have to disagree on the likely future path of this technology, Bot.
Posted By: WillInAberdeenHowever in practice there has been much resistance by the public to get onboard with smart metering and electricity usage, even including from members of this forum.
Posted By: bot de paille
Because it allows households to generate their own electricity however they wish, and store it.
It also allows energy generators to download to households during periods of high renewables generation, freeing up battery space.
There is nothing to say you cannot implement energy saving measures too.You do both.
Posted By: bhommelsPosted By: bot de paille
Because it allows households to generate their own electricity however they wish, and store it.
This is the eco bling aspect.
It also allows energy generators to download to households during periods of high renewables generation, freeing up battery space.
Grid connectivity is, in most cases, the limiting factor with large scale renewables. Distributed domestic batteries will do nothing to mitigate these grid issues except for the relatively small amount of domestic microgeneration.
There is nothing to say you cannot implement energy saving measures too.You do both.
With infinite money, I'd be happy to!