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Heating and cooling: Wood Stove Noises - Clearview vs Woodwarm (and more generally too...)

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    Hi all

    I'm looking to have a wood stove installed soon. We're pretty much decided on a Woodwarm Fireview 5kW for our living room. It was a close call between that and the Clearview Pioneer 400. With a Charwood Cove 1 coming in at third place

    I was watching all of the videos on YouTube I could find earlier showing the Fireview in action and was surprised by how noisy it is. Pings and clangs and noises like that aplenty. I then read up on the subject and can see that this is to be expected as the metal expands and contracts. But when I was watching videos of other stoves (mostly Pioneers), they didn't seem anywhere as noisy as the Woodwarm.

    I wondered if anyone with a Woodwarm or Clearview could pitch in on how noisy your stove is? If anyone has (or has had) both, then it would be great to hear from you as to how they compare. More generally though, any experiences of wood stove noises would be of interest. If the Clearview is significantly quieter, that would be another point in the "Pros" list and a step off the ropes.

    Many thanks
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2020 edited
     
    I have a Jotul freestanding pedastal stove like this:-

    https://www.stovesupermarket.co.uk/products/jotul-f373-advance-wood-burning-stove?variant.

    It has a firebrick lining and no noise at all. I've never heard of noisy woodstoves.
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    I wonder if yours is quiet due to the large proportion of glass and that the remainder is cast iron rather than steel...
    • CommentAuthorHollyBush
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020
     
    I've got a westfire, also curved and a single, but large curved glass window, it too has firebricks and doesn't make any funny noises.
    The larger the glass, the more expensive it is to replace - especially if curved :(
    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020
     
    I have two clearviews, both silent.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020
     
    Weve got a Clearveiw 750 which is silent aside from an occaisional bit of kettling in the back boiler when weve had the fire blasting too long with the ash pan open after startup, but thats operator error!!
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020
     
    We have 2 Heta stoves both slightly different models the larger one 7 kw creaks a little when warming up then is ok but the smaller one 5kw is quiet. The larger one has only been fired up about 4 or 5 times so when used a bit more expect will settle down the smaller one used daily this time of year so has had time to "bed in". Both stoves are externally air supplied and think it may be the connection on the air intake on the larger one that might be cause.
    • CommentAuthorgreenfinger
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020 edited
     
    Many thanks for the helpful replies. Interesting that you mostly find yours to be silent...

    I'm quite sensitive to noise, which is why I'm harping on about this. I've got no problem with the occasional noise, or more noise but for shorter spells (i.e. just when firing up / cooling down). I guess that's all part of the charm. But lots of noise all the time would end up doing my head in. And I have read of other people who couldn't stand the amount of noise their stoves made.

    I watched a few more videos last night. This one showed a Clearview for the first hour or so after being lit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxzGgnGKeY

    Noise starts at 01:47 and lasts for three minutes. So definitely as it is warming up. Quite intrusive but not long lasting. There are a few more random noises at around 10 minutes, but other than that it is pretty quiet. Here's another video showing the Clearview noise, starting at the minute mark:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuD6HnyL9X8

    I could handle both of those, no problem. But interesting that theirs make noise if others find their's silent.


    The Woodwarm seems to be noisy in most videos, which made me wonder if it would be nosier all round. Plus, in some the stove has been running for a while and so is well passed the heating up phase and yet still noisy. Here are the videos I found showing the noise. Some are better videos than others (and most having music which doesn't help)!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF52UVxdLxI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDAdpses4ls

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7MVjL6BWM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPQFedN8mI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfiknx6EeTE

    This one is especially bad towards the end. Perhaps the hood is acting like an acoustic chamber?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXxBNo855xs


    Perhaps I'm overthinking it. I just don't want to spend around £3k on something that has me pulling my hair out! Some noise = fine. Constant noise all the time = I'm not so sure. But aside from sharing my thoughts, I've made this a long and detailed post for anyone else looking into this in the future in case it may help their decision making.

    Cheers
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020 edited
     
    Posted By: greenfingerI wonder if yours is quiet due to the large proportion of glass and that the remainder is cast iron rather than steel...



    Maybe too, that the joining of the various castings have better quality gaskets/washers, which absorb any initial expansion to a greater degree.
    • CommentAuthorCliff Pope
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2020
     
    It has never occured to me that a stove itself could be noisy.
    A flue can make noises however, as it expands and contracts and the joints have to slide a bit.
    • CommentAuthorgreenfinger
    • CommentTimeDec 31st 2020 edited
     
    Posted By: Cliff PopeIt has never occured to me that a stove itself could be noisy.
    A flue can make noises however, as it expands and contracts and the joints have to slide a bit.


    Same here. But lockdown and the festive close down had me watching as many YouTube vids of the stoves as I could find, and it was then that I noticed how noisy they all are.
    • CommentAuthorwellburn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2021
     
    my clearview pioneer is silent.

    Look to see if you can get an external air intake ..... means you retain more of your heated air instead of it being sucked up the fire
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    Posted By: wellburnLook to see if you can get an external air intake ..... means you retain more of your heated air instead of it being sucked up the fire

    What is the current UK regs that require either a big hole in the wall or an external air intake - is it still over 5kW or has it been lowered?
    • CommentAuthorgreenfinger
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2021 edited
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_Hungarystill over 5kW


    This, as far as I'm aware. Unless perhaps you are in an very modern house, or passiv-haus which is pretty much air tight. But otherwise, you're good to go with a 5kW stove without doing anything.

    Seems that external air supplies, both direct to stove and more simply just to the room, are likely everything else in life - complex!! Some say it's a great idea, others not. I've just been reading about it. Here's one article that is very much against it:

    https://www.woodheat.org/the-outdoor-air-myth-exposed.html

    A bit off-topic but still very interesting.
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2021
     
    Current regulations, despite what many qualified installers tell their customers, is that all new installations must be tested on commissioning to determine whether the building can supply the required combustion air.
    If the building can supply the combustion air required and the stove output is 5kW or under then no external air vent is required.
    If the building cannot supply the required air, or if the output of the stove is above 5kW then an external air vent is required, equal to at least 550mm2 per kW rated output of the stove.

    As for the noise stoves make, in my experience it is more likely a result of how the stove has been installed than the stove itself. Colder flues seem to make stoves noisier.

    Anyone wanting to know why the Woodwarm is a far superior stove to the Clearview can ask PM me.

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