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    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2021
     
    This caught my eye following TV news item the other day.
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/money-to-burn-claim-wooden-pallets-cost-up-to-25-rubbished-by-bonfire-builders-as-nonsense-40625489.html

    In my view totally irresponsible behaviour to burn perfectly good pallets. When we were building we had to demolish part of our stone building and struggled to get the needed pallets (about 100 in the end) to stack the stone on. Struggled to find any that were not wanted, usually damaged ones which I repaired and topped up by buying some.
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    The world seems to be divided into those looking for pallets and those trying to get rid of them. There appears to be no mechanism for putting these two groups in touch.
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2021
     
    I collected some insulation last week, talking to the warehouse managerabout the massive pile of pallets they had apparently he has two options.

    Transports them to a waste centre that charges him £200 for each 6-7 tonne load, plus his vehicle and driver costs.

    Takes them to another facility 60 miles away that until the first of july paid him £10 a tonne for the pallets which just about covered fuel and driver time. But who now will only accept them for nothing. Apparently there are just too many sizes and designs of pallets being used to make reuse a viable option from his depot.

    I’ve got around 20 pallets on my project , no one wants them back. A few of the clean new ones get taken by people looking for “pallet wood”. Rest will end up being burnt i expect.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2021
     
    Posted By: Cliff PopeThe world seems to be divided into those looking for pallets and those trying to get rid of them. There appears to be no mechanism for putting these two groups in touch.

    +1

    Posted By: ArtiglioI collected some insulation last week, talking to the warehouse managerabout the massive pile of pallets they had apparently he has two options.

    Transports them to a waste centre that charges him £200 for each 6-7 tonne load, plus his vehicle and driver costs.

    Takes them to another facility 60 miles away that until the first of july paid him £10 a tonne for the pallets which just about covered fuel and driver time. But who now will only accept them for nothing. Apparently there are just too many sizes and designs of pallets being used to make reuse a viable option from his depot.

    I’ve got around 20 pallets on my project , no one wants them back. A few of the clean new ones get taken by people looking for “pallet wood”. Rest will end up being burnt i expect.

    I've never understood why pallets seem to come in an almost individual range of sizes. I think containers are at least fairly standardised, so why not pallets?
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2021
     
    Pallets seem to be either custom designed in terms of size and construction to suitthe goods they carry or are palletts recycled by the company supplying the goods.Effectively just packaging. Their cost is in with the product price. Rather expect that with the exceptions of companies with their own transport fleets delivering in bulk from factory to depot and returning otherwise empty, recycling of palletts is just uneconomical.
    The woodfibre comes on fairly substantial single use pallets.
    Plasters arrive on substantial pallets capale of carrying 1250kg
    Had a metal rooflight that turned up on something made by a blind butcher with a blunt axe from comtents of the canteen waste bin, smashed and completely useless for anything once unloaded.
    Cast iron guttering arrived teetering precariously on a few sticks.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2021
     
    Pallets are standardised just lots of standards the main one being euro pallet 800 x 1200 and typical uk being 1000 x 1200 mm. They can vary in depth which not an issue with FLT but can be an issue with pallet trucks. They can be expensive ( well made pallet designed for many trips can cost £25 or so).depending on construction components and treatment as they have to comply with insect control regulations otherwise they could be a way of introducing unfriendly species into countries. This is the reason they should be disposed of properly at end of their life, burning them can introduce toxic components into the atmosphere. Hence burning thousands of them in a huge bonfire is very irresponsible. A local truss making plant using treated timbers would sell offcuts for firewood from the process cheaply in a builders bag until they were pulled up by the authorities. I believe that in the right sort of furnace they can be burnt.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2021
     
    Posted By: Cliff PopeThe world seems to be divided into those looking for pallets and those trying to get rid of them. There appears to be no mechanism for putting these two groups in touch.

    But there is :)

    For example https://www.1001pallets.com/ (US based, but also covers the UK), which also lists 4,700 ideas for turning pallets into useful stuff.
    • CommentAuthorSimonD
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2021
     
    Posted By: Mike1
    Posted By: Cliff PopeThe world seems to be divided into those looking for pallets and those trying to get rid of them. There appears to be no mechanism for putting these two groups in touch.

    But there is :)

    For example https://www.1001pallets.com/ (US based, but also covers the UK), which also lists 4,700 ideas for turning pallets into useful stuff.


    Indeed, we have two places near us that are wood recycling projects. Both sell and/or give away whole pallets (we're talking a few quid per pallet for good ones, damaged odd sized ones are free). They also sell pallet wood from stripped down pallets. I built a 7m x 2.5m deck using stripped pallet wood and I extended another raised deck by 2.5m x 6m using whole pallets. Both these places sell furniture they've made using pallets and you can commission bespoke work from them.

    Most pallets now have markings on them telling you how the wood has been treated, most often HT (heat treated). The chemicals are either in the painted ones, which are technically owned by a couple of large pallet companies (blue and red) or spilled by the contents of whatever is being shipped.

    Agree it's a terrible waste to burn them.

    Great link btw, thanks!
    • CommentAuthorjfb
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2021
     
    I'm a pallet collector - blue only mind!
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2021 edited
     
    Very many cos buy, recycle, repair re-sell pallets e.g. https://palletsalesandrepairs.co.uk
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2021
     
    Blue ones are usually CHEP's; rental pallets that theyre supposed to want back..
    • CommentAuthorjfb
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2021
     
    Posted By: cjardBlue ones are usually CHEP's; rental pallets that theyre supposed to want back..


    I didn't know that. Seem to be plenty lying around though and they are definitely better quality then most.
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    all the pallets I get hold of I take to my allotment , they eat them up there!
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2021
     
    Posted By: jamesingramall the pallets I get hold of I take to my allotment , they eat them up there!


    Up cycling them that way is good as long as if they are not useable for their original purpose. (When I had an allotment used them for compost heaps ) The ones that were used to build the bonfires that prompted the original posting were not. Pallets are made from timber from trees and we don't have enough of them. So the greater the life of a pallet the less trees that have to be felled perhaps small contribution in the wider sense of things but nevertheless a contribution.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2021 edited
     
    Posted By: revorthe greater the life of a pallet
    and the slower the production of CO2.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2021
     
    Posted By: cjardBlue ones are usually CHEP's; rental pallets that theyre supposed to want back..
    They are, I think owned by the company, so in theory, unless you have an agreement to have them, it is the equivalent of theft. Used to work for a firm that supplied to B&Q and everything had to be delivered on them. You pay to have them delivered to you and when you pass them on, you effectively get a voucher for them. When they do an audit, any missing ones (delivered to you - vouchers) you have to pay for.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2021
     
    Other blue pallets are available, but.....the CHEP pallets Ive seen have "Property of CHEP" stamped on them(the ones in the yard waiting collection do!)
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2021
     
    I had a delivery today from a local supplier. The wagon was topped up with old pallets, he was taking them to someone who had a use for them. They’re classified as waste apparently, can’t be sold as they have no value on the company books , the local allotments used to take them but the council kicked up a fuss as it deemed it disposal of commercial waste. Apparently they have real problems getting rid of them , not so bad in winter as people take a few for their woodstoves.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2021
     
    Things must have changed. When I lived in the Manchester area some 12 years ago whenever I went into Trafford park there were several signs for wanted pallets offering £2-£3 for each one. I tried to cadge some from a local garden centre a few years ago and had to pay them a similar amount I recall.
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