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    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    What ho one and all,

    Not a building question but I will give it a try!!!

    I am reluctantly renewing a Zanussi washing machine that is probably repairable but is likely to cost as much to find the problem as it is to replace.

    Doing an internet search, there are so many makes, models specs that I am totally confused as to the best direction / make.

    In the £300 range, some reviews suggest that Make X is great but there are a few one star that suggest the wash time at 3 hours is unacceptable. Why would any machine have a 3 hour wash time?

    So I am opening a can of worms by asking for recommendations of a good, reliable make / model.

    Thanks and toodle pip

    Rex
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    Which
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    Not a member.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    I bought an AEG; it was expensive, the damn thing thinks too much, and take ages to complete a wash cycle. I can't believe it takes 3.5+hrs to do a wash,- bah; energy saving my left foot.
    Many years ago we had an old twin tub and it did the job faster, was easily filled with hot water from the tap, and arguably washed cleaner.
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    My experience is that there is normally little to choose in build quality between the cheapest machine a manufacturer makes and the most expensive. You pay for drum size (ie capacity), spin speed (though there are strong arguments that faster spins aren't actually effective) and features/extra programmes (that you won't use).

    Wash times have got much longer to achieve the energy performance ratings - longer soak/slower wash uses less energy.

    Cheapest Miele if you want a machine that's built to last 20 years and be repaired rather than last 3 and be uneconomic to repair.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    Posted By: RexNot a member.


    I beleive its £1 for a days access
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021 edited
     
    Posted By: philedge
    Posted By: RexNot a member.

    I believe its £1 for a days access
    Or possibly free at your local library.

    I've also had a Zanussi for many years, which I was able to fix myself twice, but no idea if they're still as robust. They, and AEG, are owned by Electrolux.

    After their mishandling of their dryer fire risk, I'd not have much confidence buying Whirlpool.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    Posted By: RexNot a member.

    The only one rated 'eco buy' in their top 20 is Miele WCG360 WCS at number 9 and supposedly it runs quickly. Number 3 in the list and noticeably cheaper than the others near it is Samsung WW90T684DLH. Neither come up in Which's own list of the 5 best washing machines for 2021

    We have a Panasonic that we bought ages ago and works pretty well.

    Try typing 'best washing machine' into search-engine-of-your-choice to see other reviews.
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    Posted By: owlmantake ages to complete a wash cycle. I can't believe it takes 3.5+hrs to do a wash


    Also shocked at the ridiculously long wash cycle times on the Hotpoint we bought recently. The bearings failed on the old machine and then when searching online for spares, realised that it has a sealed drum so you can't just repair/replace the bearings for a few quid, you would have to buy a whole new drum.

    I did however find a youtube of how to cut the drum in half and glue it back together in order to be able to replace the bearings, but I haven't yet plucked up the courage to have a go!
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2021
     
    Thanks for the suggestions. Agreed there are too many options but at least these days, they are 'program' options rather than the current non-working which has one of those horrible dials that engages with whatever cogs.

    My wife is Japanese and is not really familiar with front loaders as virtually all washing machines in Japan are top loaders with simple to understand washing inputs.

    When we built, we opted for a top loader; the only one available at the time was a big Whirlpool. It fits within the 60cms width, has a big drum, is not water economical but does a good job and is simple to understand. In ten years, it has never skipped a beat.
  3.  
    Any machines out there yet that can be triggered by an external signal, such as a smart meter or internet connection, so the heating cycle happens at the cheapest time?
    • CommentAuthorRobL
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    We had a dishwasher years ago with a mech dial that slowly rotated by motor, clicking through different stages as it went. It stopped working - sticking halfway. I squirted in loads of wd40, it fixed it! Ymmv.
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    Fed up with short-lived machines so now trying a Miele. It uses more energy than some models but then is expected to last 3 times as long so hopefully more environmentally friendly in the long run.
    • CommentAuthorCliff Pope
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    We always run our appliances at night during the Economy 7 hours. We have two washing machines - the older one can just use a plug-in timer so it starts up any time you set, the newer one has its own timer, up to 9 hours ahead.

    Never watch a machine in operation - they take hours sitting apparently doing nothing and you just get worried that it's broken down. Also the fast spin builds up speed in a series of steps, sometimes slackening off before going for the next burst. It's all calculated to keep you on edge that something's gone wrong. Just bung everything in, set it to come on at 2am, and in the morning it's all done.

    I agree that speed of spin is not very relevant. What's needed is a burst of moderate spin, then a slow spin in reverse direction to get the sheets and socks unwound, then another spin, followed by a final fast spin.

    A tip from a repair man I once called out - nearly all faults are caused by worn out motor brushes, and these are cheap and very quick to replace.
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    Modern machines usually have brushless motors, often built around the drum and with a 10 year guarantee on the motor.

    Our wash machine also has a digital delay up to 9 hours, unfortunately useless here as the night rate is on a separate meter which is switched on/off by a frequency signal over the grid but as the timer needs power to function it can't be used until the night meter comes on.

    IMO spin speed does matter, especially in the winter when the difference between a 1000 spin and 1200 or 1300 speed is a significant amount less moisture in the the house for the higher speeds when drying indoors.
    • CommentAuthorSimon Still
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Peter_in_Hungary</cite>
    IMO spin speed does matter, especially in the winter when the difference between a 1000 spin and 1200 or 1300 speed is a significant amount less moisture in the the house for the higher speeds when drying indoors.</blockquote>

    this is what I was basing that statement on - https://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/washing-machine/2632-buying-help-the-great-spin-speed-debate
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    Thanks for the thoughts.

    I have just purchased a new washing machine which will be delivered and installed next week. As is the case now-days, it has only a cold fill; but the current machine has both cold and hot fill.

    Of the two isolator valves, the hot is easy to turn while the cold is so tight that I have broken the plastic lever and no amount of open/close is making it easier to turn.

    Is there any reason that the new machine should not be connected to the hot fill?

    Or would it be better to replace the cold fill isolator with a new one that works, and cap the hot pipe?

    Thanks and toodle pip
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    Posted By: RexIs there any reason that the new machine should not be connected to the hot fill?
    That's been standard for years. The machines don't use much water, so most of the hot water drawn through the pipe doesn't actually reach the machine; much more energy efficient to heat the cold feed.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    Thanks, that is what I will do.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021 edited
     
    Posted By: Simon Stillthis is what I was basing that statement on https://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/washing-machine/2632-buying-help-the-great-spin-speed-debate
    An interesting read, but as one of the comments (correctly) points out, they have their numbers wrong. 1800 and 2000rpm spins extract around 220ml more water than 1000rpm, not 22ml.

    But apart from that - if their graphs are correctly plotted, and leaving aside other factors - then 1600rpm looks good for a maximum spin rate.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2021
     
    Samsung have some nice A+++/A washers at sensible prices and have digital inverters that mean no brushes to replace.

    Happy with this one so far:
    https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-series-5-ww90ta046tt-freestanding-ecobubble-washing-machine-9kg-load-1400rpm-white/p5135868
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2021
     
    In case it is of any use here is our write up of our own washer (and a link to the previous washer/dryer) and what cycles work for us:

    https://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-Zanussi-ZWF01483W-freestanding-washing-machine-REVIEW.html

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2021
     
    Posted By: DamonHDIn case it is of any use here is our write up of our own washer (and a link to the previous washer/dryer) and what cycles work for us:

    https://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-Zanussi-ZWF01483W-freestanding-washing-machine-REVIEW.html" rel="nofollow" >https://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-Zanussi-ZWF01483W-freestanding-washing-machine-REVIEW.html


    Washer driers seem to be a bit compromised in terms of energy efficiency - I'm just going on the label rather than your detailed measurements but D rated for energy efficiency isn't that great.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2021 edited
     
    Posted By: jms452D rated for energy efficiency isn't that great
    Just been taking a look, and many previously 'A+++' rated machines are now rated 'A' on the new scale (ao.com mentions the old rating too, in many cases) so D isn't good - except as an illustration of the need for the reform.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2021
     
    Posted By: Mike1
    Posted By: jms452D rated for energy efficiency isn't that great
    Just been taking a look, and many previously 'A+++' rated machines are now rated 'A' on the new scale (ao.com mentions the old rating too, in many cases) so D isn't good - except as an illustration of the need for the reform.


    The +'s appearing after the A did get a bit confusing & need reform but it ultimately meant that the manufacturers were designing to the top few bands and aiming for whatever was highest in their premium models.

    It's a nice example of how to use legislation to incentivise the private sector to do better - just wish it wasn't so **** with domestic EPCs
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2021
     
    Had a few Bosch over the years. Wash times have got longer as temperatures have got lower. Worth noting that it may say a 40C wash will take 2h55min when you put it on but unless its very full it normally finishes quite a bit sooner.
    • CommentAuthorbhommels
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2021
     
    Posted By: Mike1
    Posted By: RexIs there any reason that the new machine should not be connected to the hot fill?
    That's been standard for years. The machines don't use much water, so most of the hot water drawn through the pipe doesn't actually reach the machine; much more energy efficient to heat the cold feed.

    Interesting things are bound to happen when a hot feed washer gets loaded with fabrics that cannot stand high temperatures such as woollens :-(
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2021
     
    Thanks for all the comments. Ended up with an economically priced Bosch.

    I capped the hot fill and the new machine is working well; if nothing else, technology has moved on and the program selector is just an electronic control, unlike the previous which moved a whole lot of cogs and gears and always sounded like it was going to break.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2021
     
    Posted By: Rexunlike the previous which moved a whole lot of cogs and gears and always sounded like it was going to break.


    We had a Zanusi for at least 25 years that was mechanical and only broke down once. Easy to get into to fix, a contact had come loose behind the switch. The following washer a Hoover lasted about 7 years it seized up. Now on a Hotpoint needs a man and a computer to interrogate what is wrong if it malfunctions. Bosch is a decent make a friend of mine has an electrical shop sells electrician's materials and white goods. He is almost closed down on the white goods as he cannot get them. He tells me manufacturers are on short time because of Covid and lack of chips so what he can get are the most expensive models as the manufacturers use the chips in the top range where there is more profit and can run less models through the production lines which gains them efficiency advantage. Most of goods come from EU Italy Spain and Germany and Brexit has had an effect on supply also. You did well to get a new machine did you have much choice to go at?
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