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General: UK’s green economy four times larger than manufacturing

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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2021 edited
     
    Surprising data keeps on coming forward:
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/10/uks-green-economy-four-times-larger-than-manufacturing-sector-says-report

    "The UK’s low carbon economy is now worth more than £200bn, four times the size of the country’s manufacturing sector, with growth expected to accelerate in the coming years ... more than 75,000 businesses from wind turbine manufacturers to recycling plants employ more than 1.2 million people in the green economy."

    "the manufacturing sector is worth £56bn and the construction sector is worth £133bn"

    Would be interesting to have employment figures for all three (as well as 75,000 in 'low carbon'), divide value by workers, get 'productivity' for each.
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    I don't understand it. They say the 'green economy' is bigger than 'manufacturing' but in the same breath they define the green economy as including 'wind turbine manufacturers'.

    If they are spuriously comparing these overlapping sets with such bare faces, its unsurprising that the headline numbers they are throwing around are 5 times greater than those produced by the ONS who they link to, who do actually know about counting and comparing things.

    There are a lot of thinly disguised political opinion pieces in the Guardian this week, masquerading as environmental data, as we discussed one of the last times Tom quoted them.


    The employment figures Tom wanted are in the ONS data:

    Green turnover :£42bn (versus £200bn claim in the Graun)

    Green Employment: 200k (versus 1.2m claim by the Graun)
    Of which, the majority are in.... "manufacturing" and "construction"
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2021 edited
     
    Bizarre - guess I should go to the souce material - or trust that GBF has guys who thrive on doing that.

    But I'm OK about
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenThey say the 'green economy' is bigger than 'manufacturing' but in the same breath they define the green economy as including 'wind turbine manufacturers'.
    'Green economy' can and should extract from manufacturing that portion that's 'green'.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2021
     
    Posted By: fostertomBut I'm OK about
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenThey say the 'green economy' is bigger than 'manufacturing' but in the same breath they define the green economy as including 'wind turbine manufacturers'.
    'Green economy' can and should extract from manufacturing that portion that's 'green'.

    True enough, Tom. The way it's worded there's no greater-than or smaller-than relationship possible to deduce. Part of one thing is part of another thing doesn't tell you much about the overall sizes. It depends on the parts of the green economy and the parts of manufacturing that are not to do with wind turbines.
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    The total of all sectors in UK is about £2000bn of which about 20% (~£400bn) is manufacturing. (Versus £56bn claimed in the article, which should have looked weirdly low to any half-awake subeditor, as should the claim that one-tenth of the economy is 'green')

    The ONS link breaks down that the £42bn green economy includes £15bn of green manufacturing, so:
    ~40% of the green economy is manufacturing;
    ~4% of all manufacturing is green;


    There are now more car drivers in the UK than left-handed people, and more spurious comparisons in this sentence than facts about car drivers.

    Edit: as one of five generations of Guardian readers in my family, I'm frustrated that they don't let their line about 'facts being sacred' get in their way of political editorialising. Their environment coverage once used to be fairly reliable, and this stuff is too important to play petty politics with. They even reused the photos for this article, from last week's photoshoot of Sir K.

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