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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:23:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>DWHITE</author>
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			<![CDATA[After following the forums guidance on my upstairs flooring to great success I am after some advice on the best (for a basic diy-er) approach to dealing with a square cut out around a soil pipe in our downstairs loo. The hole leads down to block and beam void which I am planning on filling with EPS beads at a later date, followed by the blocking up of the air bricks.<br /><br />Is it fine just to blast expanding foam around this and then cut it away level with the cement boards? The gap is 15mm at it's most narrow, 40mm at it's widest point. Nasty draught and cold emanating from the hole. Picture (hopefully) attached.<br /><br />Bonus question: In the event I fill the void with roughly 300mm of EPS beads. Would this suffice as the insulation layer for a thin retrofit wet UFH system to be laid on top of the block/beam? My thought process being that you could argue the block and beam acts as a useful thermal mass or would the thermal bypass of the block and beam render this ineffective? This is a poorly built 1990's house after all!<br /><br />Any help is greatly appreciated and will be acted upon!]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:38:09 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Peter_in_Hungary</author>
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			<![CDATA[Yes - fill the hole with the squirty stuff]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2022 15:23:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>DWHITE</author>
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			<![CDATA[Thank you for the sense check! I'll get cracking.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2022 22:08:16 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[Expanding foam ðŸ‘]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2022 08:16:24 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>philedge</author>
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			<![CDATA[Its likely that the whole perimeter of the floor hasnt been sealed and the area of the continuous gap around the perimeter could be more than that around the waste pipe. You just can feel the same level of cold draught because its spread over a long thin strip around the room.<br /><br />If youre able to do it maybe fast track the addition of the beads so you can get the air vents closed up. Its extra work but Id take out the vent in the external leaf and seal the opening in the inner leaf to make sure theres no airflow through the cavity and into the beads.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 22:09:57 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Thanks Tony and Philedge,<br /><br />I have several greenbuildforum discussions saved regarding the beads to review and have received a quote locally (Nottingham) for the beads of Â£990 for 20 cubic metres / 700 cubic feet delivered. It's quite a substantial outlay and am still not sure about how to blow them in, saw something about a wood chip blower (expensive!) and positive/negative pressures ensuring beads will fill the space. I also need to check that the block and beam void doesn't continue across to the neighbours void (I'm end of a terrace in a row of three houses).]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 12:15:08 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[I can help with suggestions! Did one recently, no need for negative pressure, leaf blower works well and I have spare one. Where are you? I have also used a bead blower on a compressor but a bit slow. Can talk about if you like and send pics. Unsure on price but sounds high to me try e-bay]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:29:46 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>philedge</author>
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			<![CDATA[Could you bulk out the blown in beads with chunks of broken up polystyrene? Would reduce the volume of new beads and use up waste polystyrene insulation off cuts/packaging??]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:39:39 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[Yes, in NZ they collect bits and run hem through a garden shredder first then fill their walls with them.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:05:14 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>cjard</author>
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			<![CDATA[I recall someone on here (or perhaps another self build forum) talking about blowing eps beads in using a leaf blower; certainly the basic level Bosch blower I have can be put in "vacuum" mode for picking up leaves and collecting them into a bag; modifying the pickup pipe with a suitably long flexible section of 75mm MVHR duct could work. The other thing I'd be interested to try would be to use the commercial bouncy castle blower I have, plumb it up to the void and then pour beads into a hopper on the side of it. A carpet drying blower (can be hired) light also work, though the output port on those is a bit more of an awkward shape to fashion up a nozzle for]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:08:09 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>cjard</author>
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			<![CDATA[That would be a great way of recycling it philedge/tony- it's a shame it's so bulky and awkward to transport but I'm struck that councils on recycling rounds/HWRCs could collect packaging and shred it/sell it. It always seems to go in the non-recyclable waste hoppers]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:16:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>cjard</author>
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			<![CDATA[Re your question on using the block and beam as mass for the UFH, I don't think it will perform optimally compared to a fully insulated floating screed pad, but so long and the area underneath the beams is insulated, and then the wall into which the beams are resting is also insulated in its cavity to a good depth below and above the beams ends is insulated, then it'll work out. You have an unresolved thermal bridge from beam, to wall, to ground but in its favour it's a comparatively small area and long distance from UFH to the earth. If you're looking to reduce it you could support all your beam ends on marmox blocks relatively easily but that's maybe overkill for the application]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:19:16 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Ps I'd especially the UFH response time to be somewhat longer than a 40mm screed, so maybe your use pattern would benefit from &quot;set it to run permanently at low temperature&quot; rather than have it on and off. Rest of the house will need to be well insulated for that to work properly]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 22:12:02 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[I once saw a grain drying blower use to blow beads, I used a garden vac to blow beds recently, replacing the bag with a tube to deliver beads into the floor void - it worked brilliantly]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:32:41 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: cjard</cite>That would be a great way of recycling it philedge/tony- it's a shame it's so bulky and awkward to transport but I'm struck that councils on recycling rounds/HWRCs could collect packaging and shred it/sell it. It always seems to go in the non-recyclable waste hoppers</blockquote>I think they're focussed on recycling (i.e recovering raw material that can make more new material) rather than reuse, which in principle would be better. But I suspect the council has problems with not being able to control the cleanliness and quality very easily, plus the difficulty of transporting it. We have a local volunteer-run recycling centre, but it doesn't recycle/reuse EPS either AFAIK, although it does do various other things the council doesn't. Volunteers are cheaper and have more practical control over what they accept, I suspect.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 09:02:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>DWHITE</author>
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			<![CDATA[As ever thanks so much everyone and apologies for the late response.<br /><br />cjard, <br />interesting thoughts re the UFH. I'll put it in the maybe pile for further down the line. The house isn't that big so removing wall mounted radiators would be a huge benefit for layout options but, as always is the case, I'll focus on insulation before UFH is considered.<br /><br />Tony,<br />The garden vac sounds perfect! I'm Nottingham based so a little far from you. If you have any images of the garden vac set up then that would be greatly appreciated. Did you just hook the tube straight in to a bag of beads?<br />I agree the price seems a little high  and it is compared to only a few years ago. Was hoping for the gov to perhaps eliminate vat on insulation given the energy situation but think I'm dreaming on that front. I have searched ebay for EPS beads with no luck, would you recommend any other bead alternatives to search for?<br /><br />Really appreciated all!]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 10:20:32 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I also made an error in one of my earlier comments. The price I obtained was for 300 cubic feet (8.5 cubic metres) and was Â£27 a 10ft3 bag (Â£810 total) or Â£35 a 10ft3 bag delivered (Â£1,050 total)!<br /><br />Have since found EPS/polystyrene beads for Â£15 a 10ft3 bag (Â£457) total they don't claim any insulating properties rather are bean bag fill type. Am I correct to assume these will suffice?]]>
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