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    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2023
     
    What ho one and all,

    I only seem to ask questions relating to somewhat trivial things, and here is another.

    Our rooflights are Fakro and too high to open/close by hand, so have the Fakro ZST pole to hook over the handle to twist open or closed. As is frequently the case with poor design, it is designed to save material rather than be sufficiently strong to last for as long as necessary.

    Consequentially, one of the two supports had fractured and I have been researching the best way to fix and reinforce. Then I found the SuperGlue and baking soda solution. Whoever, the solution certainly hardens but does not adhere to the plastic so I have chipped it off.

    There is an expensive solution, buy another pole which cost a mere £50. I am very reluctant to pay that sort of money when I only need a small plastic bit when the pole is perfect.

    Which leaves with seeking some advice on GBF. Grateful for any thoughts.
      Fakro ZST Pole 2.jpg
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2023
     
    I have not figured out how to attach more than one photo so have to reply to my own thread!!!
      Fakro ZST Pole.jpg
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2023
     
    I hot welded my broken water bottle using a wide blade soldering iron.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2023
     
    With the crack spread open like you photo I would put in some epoxy resin like araldite. A fibre glass patch in resin may also work. May not look neat but should work.
  1.  
    https://classicroofblinds.com/product/fakro-opening-pole-for-roof-windows-blinds/

    £22


    (Edit: or saw off the plastic fitting and.fix a large steel eye bolt or vine eye into the end of the pole? Not very hopeful about fixing that cracked plastic without it failing again before long).
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2023
     
    I don't know what I do wrong with my searching but did not find a link to any other products. Obviously sung the incorrect search terms.

    An eye bolt is a grand idea; however, we also have the internal blinds so need the 'nipple' on the end to fit into the groove of the blind for opening and closing.

    I am also not convinced that any repair will last long. Was intending to fill the lower gap with baking soda / superglue but as it will not stick.... Suspect that any epoxy will be similar.

    Much appreciate the suggestions.
  2.  
    Sugru looks good, but I have never tried it.
  3.  
    How about the head from a boat hook then, or from a sash window pole? Has a prodding bit as well as a hooking bit.

    £5 online for a plastic boat hook head, or get a lovely brass one?
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2023
     
    Drill a hole right through a length of 32mm push fit waste and use that instead?
    • CommentAuthorGreenPaddy
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2023 edited
     
    Superglue I believe only sets in the absence of air, so adding a bulking agent will prevent it setting. Also, some "oily" plastics like nylon, PP etc will not stick well with surface glue.

    I would try to cut a strip of thin metal and bond it on each side, running from the nipple on top, along the edge of the plastic ring, down onto the metal handle. Then drill and fit some little self tappers (say 4) through the metal strip, into the plastic and the metal pole. If any of the self tapper pointed tips break the plastic surface on the inside, file them flat.

    Will take a wee while to do, but imagine the satisfaction of a smug smile, as you utilise your rejuvenated window opener :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2023
     
    I made an extended window opener for my Mum, who had a similar access problem, from a length of !" PVC tube and a couple of T- pieces. Solvent welded the T-piece to each end (tube size and length to suit your application) one to slip over the handle and the other other end provided a useful handle for the necessary twisting motion. Cheap and strong enough for the job.

    If you want to repair the existing poor design - why the hole in the moulding near the point of maximum stress? - try drilling a hole from the inside of the ring down into the base through the crack, probably at an angle for access. Use a full threaded screw through into the base and cut off any leftover protruding metal in the ring if desired. Epoxy resin is useful and would add to the joint strength - you could maybe fill the hole in the moulding with epoxy as well to cut down on any flexing.

    I have recently made a curved pick-up pipe for my garage vac to clean my gutters from the ground. The curve is made from cut angled sections, glued together with pvc solvent weld, but to make the joints stronger I used ordinary staples, heated with a soldering iron and pressed into the plastic around each joint at the points of higher strain. You might find the same technique handy for your cracked fitting.

    Good Luck!
  4.  
    Depending on how handy you are with 3D software, it looks like you could 3D print a replacement. There are various ''Fab Labs' around the country that would print it for you, often attached to universities and colleges.

    Or resin cast, using the broken one as a mould?
    • CommentAuthorneelpeel
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2023 edited
     
    Araldite. Love the stuff.

    Spread liberally all round. Maybe a bit of strong tape wrapped around after for belt and braces.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2023
     
    Posted By: neelpeelAraldite. Love the stuff.


    Yes araldite is good been around a very long time and has stood the test of time.
    CT1 adhesive is acclaimed in numerous places.
    I have not personally used it.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2023
     
    Will try Araldite but given that the superglue did not stick, doubt that Araldite will. Unfortunately, it takes all the torque of opening closing the handles.

    Anyway, a bit of research and Fakro came up with the goods. Replacement plastic bit can be bought for a mere £6. But it comes from Poland via a distributor in the UK and has £12 delivery!!!!

    So thought I would use my extensive Polish knowledge (!) and have a look at the PL web site. Managed to find the pole, and when converted the Zloty price, around £22 for an item that sells in the UK for double that. Someone is making a good profit.
  5.  
    Have they changed the design?

    If you repair it or replace it with the same design, then likely it will fail again in the same place.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2023
     
    Agreed. Probably not. But this one lasted ten years and as the delivery cost is the same, I have bought two. But before inserting the thing into the pole, I will abrade the internal surfaces and probably fill with Araldite.
    • CommentAuthorbhommels
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2023
     
    I've had good results with using araldite to glue metal wire(s) on top of plastic bits that turned out not strong enough.
    • CommentAuthorGareth J
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2023
     
    Some plastics won't take super glue. The lids of superglue pots are made of them! As mentioned, an epoxy might work better, especially if you abraid the surfaces and build up around it too. You could recreate the whole thing in steel or aluminium flat with basic tools; drill, hacksaw, files. Although fixing it in the pole could be a bit rustic.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2023 edited
     
    Deleted as you found a better option.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2023
     
    Just to close out this thread, I received the replacement end from Fakro and attach a comparison photo.

    I guess they have had similar problems in the past and a small redesign has strengthened the weak area. I now have two so good to go for the rest of my life!!!
      20230524_072841 (Medium).jpg
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2023
     
    Lucky I bought two. Very tight fit into the pole. Probably easy to fit with a press but managed to break the first when things not aligned.

    Bit of heat to the ali and the second fitted like a charm.
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