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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2024
     
    I noticed last night that I can see reflections of the arm of my chair in the window (we don't have curtains). What suprised me was not that I could see three reflectins (we have triple glazing) but that the spacing between the reflections was different, with a wider gap between the top and middle than the gap between the middle and the bottom. As far as I know, our windows have three evenly spaced layers of glazing. I'm mystified - anybody got any ideas?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2024
     
    Must be some refraction index difference, one pane to the next.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2024
     
    Mine have 5mm glass on the innermost pane other panes are 4mm , never noticed anything in the reflections
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2024
     
    I believe ours are 4-18Ar-4-18Ar-4. I also believe they have two soft coatings but I can't find any documentation at the minute.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2024
     
    Would the ultra-thin coatings have a refraction index, or would any different indexes be only in different glass compositions?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2024
     
    Posted By: fostertomWould the ultra-thin coatings have a refraction index, or would any different indexes be only in different glass compositions?
    I'm not sure, but I believe the thickness of the refractive layer is important, so I don't think the refractive index of the coatings is important, since they're thin. But something must explain what I see and I don't understand it yet, so I'll keep an open mind.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2024 edited
     
    Posted By: djhI believe the thickness of the refractive layer is important
    Don't think so - regardless of thickness a refractive layer alters the incident vs exit direction. That would have the effect of displacing the image in your vision laterally, differently for ea exit surface, dependent on the RIs of ea of glass 1, glasses 1+2 and glasses 1+2+3. If those totals don't have same increment between them, then the images won't be spaced equally.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2024
     
    OK, here's one explanation of Snell's Law and its consequences:

    https://study.com/skill/learn/how-to-use-snells-law-to-find-the-displacement-of-an-image-viewed-through-a-material-more-optically-dense-than-air-explanation.html

    You can see that the the displacement is directly proportional to the thickness. So zero thickness = zero displacement.
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    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2024
     
    Posted By: djhI also believe they have two soft coatings but I can't find any documentation at the minute.
    I can't help with your basic question, however if you shine a LED light through the glass (for example the light on a mobile phone) and look at the reflections, then any coatings should show up as a tinted colour, rather than white.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2024
     
    Regarding three reflections, when the reflection goes through a single sheet of glass we get two paths, on going through the second sheet we can expect four , BUT two of then will be coincident explaining why there are three, q.e.d.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2024
     
    Posted By: djhthe displacement is directly proportional to the thickness. So zero thickness = zero displacement
    It's not the displacement - it's the change of angle. An incident ray that's say parallel exits divergent, by a different amount depending on RI.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2024
     
    Oh no - I realise I'm picturing media of tapered thickness, like a lens. Parallel can't change incident vs exit angle, so RI it isn't.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2024 edited
     
    Posted By: Mike1
    Posted By: djhI also believe they have two soft coatings but I can't find any documentation at the minute.
    I can't help with your basic question, however if you shine a LED light through the glass (for example the light on a mobile phone) and look at the reflections, then any coatings should show up as a tinted colour, rather than white.
    Indeed, yes. I remember checking the window when I first heard about the test. Hence my belief that the coatings are there.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2024
     
    Posted By: tonyRegarding three reflections, when the reflection goes through a single sheet of glass we get two paths, on going through the second sheet we can expect four , BUT two of then will be coincident explaining why there are three, q.e.d.
    I'm confused. There are thee sheets of glass in a triple glazed window. So I'd expect six reflections. I'm also not clear why two or more of the reflections would be coincident - maybe a diagram (or a link to one) would help?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2024
     
    Posted By: fostertomOh no - I realise I'm picturing media of tapered thickness, like a lens. Parallel can't change incident vs exit angle, so RI it isn't.
    That's OK. I think we're both on the same page now :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2024
     
    When I looked at 3G some time ago only the top and the bottom layers were Low E glass i.e. coated, the centre layer was plain low iron glass. I don't know if that could explain your observations.
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