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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[There, go for the Alu faced version.<br /><br />Note, Russell are hard work - not customer-friendly, expecting trade customers, needing lots of spec/option decisions, which you have to know and demand, and which usually take several revisions of their spreadsheet, office staff not the brightest, a week or two at a time, to get it right, before signing off. Only then does the usually long delivery period start - and is often over-run. But worth it, if you allow for all that - pretty good quality, seriously unbeatable price (for the 4-12-4-12-4 range - the nearly-same but deeper section 4-16-4-16-4 PH grade is premium-priced).]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Victorianeco</author>
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			<![CDATA[Okay great, might drop you a line when I finally get the keys]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[Is your project a restoration, or new-build - needing to look trad, or modern? Cos Russell don't look trad - if you want trad, then the Vrogum range from Indigo7 is unique - if there's a glazed-inward 'opening' light/sash in every hole (even if fixed shut) it can be spec'd to look almost indistinguishable from trad english cottage style - flush-fronted casement of quite slim sight-line, appearing putty-glazed from the outside (tho it's actually a shallow timber bevel). Those cost £600/m2 (vs Russell @ £350) but are of supreme (vs OK) quality and very clued-up guy running the small importing co Indigo7.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Victorianeco</author>
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			<![CDATA[This is the house which is right on the sea front. South facing.<br /><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B-VpHGUqUlascnhMbsdKpxQxifg7WSUV/view?usp=drivesdk" target="_self" rel="nofollow">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B-VpHGUqUlascnhMbsdKpxQxifg7WSUV/view?usp=drivesdk</a><br /><br />We are looking for a classic timeless look but will be looking to EWI and probably remove the porch (possibly)<br /><br />May look to make the ground floor windows into doors and remove the pillar]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>revor</author>
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			<![CDATA[I would be wary of Alu faced windows so close to the sea. Presume they would be powder coated but if there is risk of sand in the wind there is a chance windows will get shot blasted. I am 1.5m from the sea and our powder coated frames have faded in parts but suspect that is down to the quality of the manufacturing as the  aluminium trims I had made at a specialist manufacturer to match have been ok. See if any neighbouring houses have similar window construction.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[Does timber or PVC fare any better when shot blasted with sand? Genuine question; I don't know.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Victorianeco</cite>This is the house</blockquote>Ideal for Russell!]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Victorianeco</author>
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			<![CDATA[I've also heard velfac, internorm are also good value...]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>borpin</author>
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			<![CDATA[I have some inward opening, tilt and turn, 3G, wooden framed, factory painted, multi-seal, windows (and doors) and they are excellent.<br /><br />Ignore the doom-mongers that suggest inward opening are less weather-tight.<br /><br />However, consider that with inward-opening windows you need to think carefully if you want blinds inside the reveals. Also, be wary of the gap on the inner reveals. If I did it again, I'd make the openings bigger/windows smaller so there was room to create a slot (by creating a window box) so the plasterboard 'slotted in'. As it is, there is very little gap between the hinges and the reveal.<br /><br />Secondly, make all the glass doors (patio etc) tilt and turn too. I didn't go for bifolds and glad I didn't. Just a double opening door (inwards).]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2024 20:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: borpin</cite>However, consider that with inward-opening windows you need to think carefully if you want blinds inside the reveals.</blockquote>This is true but in opening sashes we have simply fitted the blinds inside the sash, so they don't affect the opening at all. On one non-opener we have a blind fitted over the frame.<br /><br /><blockquote >I'd make the openings bigger/windows smaller so there was room to create a slot (by creating a window box) so the plasterboard 'slotted in'. As it is, there is very little gap between the hinges and the reveal.</blockquote> There's not much gap between the hinges and the interior plaster for our windows/reveals either, but I don't see that as a problem; I'm not sure why you do?<br /><br /><blockquote >make all the glass doors (patio etc) tilt and turn too. I didn't go for bifolds and glad I didn't. Just a double opening door (inwards).</blockquote>We haven't got any bifolds either. We have a double door opening outwards in our conservatory (just opening, not tilting), a double door* tilting-and-turning inwards in our bedroom (onto a balcony) and a lift-and-slide onto the patio from the dining room. They all work well, although the lift-and-slide needs to be greased regularly otherwise it gets very stiff. We use silicone grease.<br /><br />The master door in the bedroom gets used for ventilation in the summer, either tilted or turned. So does the lift-and-slide. We have a sliding insect mesh to cover it when it's open. The conservatory door isn't used for ventilation (I haven't yet found a door stop/catch that can be used with an ali-fronted timber door).<br /><br />* in the schedule this is described as a window.]]>
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