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Housing - Renovation: 2G v 3G and Glazing Suppliers

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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2024 edited
     
    There, go for the Alu faced version.

    Note, Russell are hard work - not customer-friendly, expecting trade customers, needing lots of spec/option decisions, which you have to know and demand, and which usually take several revisions of their spreadsheet, office staff not the brightest, a week or two at a time, to get it right, before signing off. Only then does the usually long delivery period start - and is often over-run. But worth it, if you allow for all that - pretty good quality, seriously unbeatable price (for the 4-12-4-12-4 range - the nearly-same but deeper section 4-16-4-16-4 PH grade is premium-priced).
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    Okay great, might drop you a line when I finally get the keys
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2024
     
    Is your project a restoration, or new-build - needing to look trad, or modern? Cos Russell don't look trad - if you want trad, then the Vrogum range from Indigo7 is unique - if there's a glazed-inward 'opening' light/sash in every hole (even if fixed shut) it can be spec'd to look almost indistinguishable from trad english cottage style - flush-fronted casement of quite slim sight-line, appearing putty-glazed from the outside (tho it's actually a shallow timber bevel). Those cost £600/m2 (vs Russell @ £350) but are of supreme (vs OK) quality and very clued-up guy running the small importing co Indigo7.
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    This is the house which is right on the sea front. South facing.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B-VpHGUqUlascnhMbsdKpxQxifg7WSUV/view?usp=drivesdk

    We are looking for a classic timeless look but will be looking to EWI and probably remove the porch (possibly)

    May look to make the ground floor windows into doors and remove the pillar
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2024
     
    I would be wary of Alu faced windows so close to the sea. Presume they would be powder coated but if there is risk of sand in the wind there is a chance windows will get shot blasted. I am 1.5m from the sea and our powder coated frames have faded in parts but suspect that is down to the quality of the manufacturing as the aluminium trims I had made at a specialist manufacturer to match have been ok. See if any neighbouring houses have similar window construction.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2024
     
    Does timber or PVC fare any better when shot blasted with sand? Genuine question; I don't know.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2024
     
    Posted By: VictorianecoThis is the house
    Ideal for Russell!
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    I've also heard velfac, internorm are also good value...
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2024
     
    I have some inward opening, tilt and turn, 3G, wooden framed, factory painted, multi-seal, windows (and doors) and they are excellent.

    Ignore the doom-mongers that suggest inward opening are less weather-tight.

    However, consider that with inward-opening windows you need to think carefully if you want blinds inside the reveals. Also, be wary of the gap on the inner reveals. If I did it again, I'd make the openings bigger/windows smaller so there was room to create a slot (by creating a window box) so the plasterboard 'slotted in'. As it is, there is very little gap between the hinges and the reveal.

    Secondly, make all the glass doors (patio etc) tilt and turn too. I didn't go for bifolds and glad I didn't. Just a double opening door (inwards).
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2024
     
    Posted By: borpinHowever, consider that with inward-opening windows you need to think carefully if you want blinds inside the reveals.
    This is true but in opening sashes we have simply fitted the blinds inside the sash, so they don't affect the opening at all. On one non-opener we have a blind fitted over the frame.

    I'd make the openings bigger/windows smaller so there was room to create a slot (by creating a window box) so the plasterboard 'slotted in'. As it is, there is very little gap between the hinges and the reveal.
    There's not much gap between the hinges and the interior plaster for our windows/reveals either, but I don't see that as a problem; I'm not sure why you do?

    make all the glass doors (patio etc) tilt and turn too. I didn't go for bifolds and glad I didn't. Just a double opening door (inwards).
    We haven't got any bifolds either. We have a double door opening outwards in our conservatory (just opening, not tilting), a double door* tilting-and-turning inwards in our bedroom (onto a balcony) and a lift-and-slide onto the patio from the dining room. They all work well, although the lift-and-slide needs to be greased regularly otherwise it gets very stiff. We use silicone grease.

    The master door in the bedroom gets used for ventilation in the summer, either tilted or turned. So does the lift-and-slide. We have a sliding insect mesh to cover it when it's open. The conservatory door isn't used for ventilation (I haven't yet found a door stop/catch that can be used with an ali-fronted timber door).

    * in the schedule this is described as a window.

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