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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2024 edited
     
    Uh oh - but we'd never use plastic cladding would we? Cos timber cladding would be safe?
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/05/fears-of-new-uk-cladding-crisis-after-blaze-destroys-timber-frame-homes
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2024
     
    Just cement based boards left then as default cladding?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2024
     
    Or render direct on the insulation board - no cavity
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2024
     
    In a country where we have 20 plus million vehicles on the road , all carrying gallons of flammable liquid , where we accept the circa 4 deaths a day on our roads, the story is more about a public body not wanting to accept any potential risk for legal action against them rather than any risk to the occupiers of the properties. Quite why the taxpayer is on the hook for 3.6 million is beyond me, it’s surely the responsibility of the council and it’s Housing Revenue Account.
    The logical extension of such attitiudes is that insurers jump onnthe bandwagon and millions of private dwellings across the country become unisurable in the absence of electrical and gas checks, risk assessments etc etc etc, to avoid the minimal risk of injury to visitors to our homes. There’s a risk of making areas of Building Regulations retrospective , which with inevitable mission creep going forward is something that needs avoiding.
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    There were circa 4,000 building fires last year connected with fuel (mostly gas leaks), 1,100 associated with chip pans, and 40 associated with solar PV panels and inverters.


    Think we should be focussing on banning mains gas distribution, chip pans, and PV panels (!) , before we get down the list to lower risk items such as cladding on low-rise buildings.
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    Posted By: fostertomOr render direct on the insulation board - no cavity

    +1 for that.

    No cavity = no chimney effect !

    Posted By: WillInAberdeenThink we should be focussing on banning mains gas distribution,

    That should help net zero
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2024
     
    A quick search says cladding within 1 m of a boundary needs to be Class B (which I seem to remember from when I built my garage), so timber needs to be painted with a flame retardant. I don't know what is possible for plastic facades, if anything.

    So maybe the houses didn't meet building regs? So the owners (council?) were responsible. And whoever employed the building inspectors ought to be liable, but isn't AIUI.
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    Notably the actual timber frame itself all seems to be intact, albeit not in a very happy state.

    Posted By: djhA quick search says cladding within 1 m of a boundary needs to be Class B


    It's within 1m from the 'Relevant Boundary', which can be a notional line down the middle of a road, railway, canal or river, in the absence of (or even despite) a fence or hedge.

    The whole reason for it (AIUI) is to prevent the spread of fire to other buildings. So you might have a garden wall within 1m, but the relevant boundary is the distance to the next nearest building.

    If you have a private dwelling more than 1m from the relevant boundary and below 11m in height, I think there are 'currently 'no provisions' for the fire performance on the outside of the wall.

    Worth noting that the rules are different for other types of residential building such as care homes, sheltered housing etc. and that there is nuance around unprotected areas (e.g. windows) and cladding over 1mm thickness.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2024
     
    Posted By: Doubting_ThomasIt's within 1m from the 'Relevant Boundary', which can be a notional line down the middle of a road, railway, canal or river, in the absence of (or even despite) a fence or hedge.
    Well in my case it's the plot boundary, which is the edge of a field, and in theory somebody could build a building up to the edge of the field. In any event the rules are so complicated that it's simpler to just comply and make the surface flame retardant.

    And in the case we were discussing the houses are teraced, so it's the actual boudary of the house that is relevant.
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    Posted By: djhIn any event the rules are so complicated that it's simpler to just comply and make the surface flame retardant.


    Agreed, I was just pointing out that you don't always *have* to make the cladding flame retardant under the regs. It isn't always as simple as

    Posted By: djhso timber needs to be painted with a flame retardant


    though I agree that some Class B timber might have slowed the spread in the case FosterTom linked to!
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