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    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2024 edited
     
    Hello all,

    I'm working from home a lot and we need another office, so I'm planning to create a 2.2x2.5m office and inside part of a large detached wooden shed. The shed is decent and dry so I'm sort of creating a basic timber frame warm box.

    My plan is to go low embodied carbon, cost effective and easy to assemble in couple of weekends.

    Floor, 1000gauge dpm, 50mm phenolic [already salvaged from a skip], 18mm osb, second hand flooring tbd.

    Walls/ceiling, old feather edge fencing planks to protect from damage, breather membrane, 100mm pavaflex, tapered edge plasterboard, filler + Paint.

    Door (2 internal doors we already have one opening in, one opening out).

    I was going to insulate it more, but given the tiny space I calculate even at dT=20 it will need <300W (i.e. a person, computer and monitor) so more insulation seemed pointless.

    planning on fully breathable construction so no vapour control membranes

    Am I missing any thing here?
    I think we avoid regs as it's a shed?
    (will run on an extension lead plugged into an outside weatherproof socket)

    Is a single room heat recovery unit overkill?

    thanks

    edited for typo
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    If the structure already exists then I wouldn't go anywhere near the building / planning regs people.

    It sounds like the external walls of the shed will be the external walls of the insulated box - in which case I would incorporate a small window on an unobtrusive side, maybe a 50cm x 50cm tilt and turn (salvaged) to give ventilation and some outside awareness so that you know if it is raining or if it is day or night. I would also put a closable vent (bathroom vent non-powered) between the new box and the original shed space.

    A single room heat recovery unit is probably overkill but some sort of natural ventilation will be needed for humidity control and air change.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2024
     
    I was going to say pretty much the same as PiH. It sounds like ventilation/cooling in summer will be more of an issue than keeping warm in winter, though you'll probably want something to keep it above freezing in winter and make it comfortable when you first sit down. A window sounds like a very good idea too.

    If it's doable I'd consider a double roof structure - a flying roof with an open air gap under it and then the 'real' roof. The idea is to keep the sun off the roof (and maybe the walls to some extent) so the insulation isn't trying to deal with too large a temperature difference. Maybe the flying roof could be solar panels?
  2.  
    An insulated false ceiling, eaves to eaves, would solve the sun aspect on the real roof - if the head height is enough, otherwise a skeiling ceiling could help.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2024
     
    Great stuff thanks both.

    Was planning on full air gap on walls and ceiling for over heating reasons.

    Window a good idea, have an old one the supplier made wrong hanging about.

    For the floor I'm aiming to minimise the height build up but don't want it to creak. Should I plug the OSB down hard onto the existing concrete floor with concrete screews? This seems sensible but means they will be scared going through the DPM ( albeit into a visibility dry and dusty for)
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2024
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: djh</cite>If it's doable I'd consider a double roof structure - a flying roof with an open air gap under it and then the 'real' roof. The idea is to keep the sun off the roof (and maybe the walls to some extent) so the insulation isn't trying to deal with too large a temperature difference. Maybe the flying roof could be solar panels?</blockquote>

    That sounds like an excellent idea must remember that one.
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    Posted By: jms452For the floor I'm aiming to minimise the height build up but don't want it to creak. Should I plug the OSB down hard onto the existing concrete floor with concrete screews? This seems sensible but means they will be scared going through the DPM ( albeit into a visibility dry and dusty for)

    For the floor, assuming the concrete is flat perhaps consider
    1000gauge dpm, 50mm phenolic [already salvaged from a skip],
    Then forget the 18mm OSB and go for click fit flooring as a loose laid floor between the walls. I would go for the type suitable for bathrooms so there will be no issue with damp. By the time you have not brought the OSB and sourced the 2nd hand flooring there may not be much difference in cost - and it won't creak.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2024
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Peter_in_Hungary</cite>Then forget the 18mm OSB and go for click fit flooring as a loose laid floor between the walls. I would go for the type suitable for bathrooms so there will be no issue with damp. By the time you have not brought the OSB and sourced the 2nd hand flooring there may not be much difference in cost - and it won't creak.</blockquote>

    What stops the phenolic foam slabs moving against each other as weight (me) moves around the room?
    No expert here but when things creak my go to solution is to screw it down harder ;)

    that said I can try this suggestion then add a screwed down wooden floor under the click together flooring if it does creak ;)
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2024
     
    18 mm floor will move unless supported everywhere. I put 22 mm T&G Caber on top of the floor that came with my shed and that's a lot more rigid, though still some movement.
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    Posted By: jms452
    Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryThen forget the 18mm OSB and go for click fit flooring as a loose laid floor between the walls. I would go for the type suitable for bathrooms so there will be no issue with damp. By the time you have not brought the OSB and sourced the 2nd hand flooring there may not be much difference in cost - and it won't creak.


    What stops the phenolic foam slabs moving against each other as weight (me) moves around the room?
    No expert here but when things creak my go to solution is to screw it down harder ;)


    I have put down 3 floors with 50mm XPS wall to wall (no gaps) and put click fit flooring loose laid on top with 1 cm gap at the edges as per instructions. One floor was engineered wood (oak over pine) the other 2 composite. The wood floor has been down 10 years the other two 3 years and 1 year respectively. no creaks or movement in any of them. For the 1 cm edge spacers I used EPS which was left in place without issues (probably has enough squish to absorb the expected expansion/contraction)
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