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    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2024
     
    What ho one and all,

    I have a small drainage issue and rather than digging up, it may be cured by plumbing rods (or a long drain snake.) Have never need rods before and as this is a kinda 'one off' job, don't want to spend much.

    But there is quite a range of prices, anywhere from £20 upwards. What would I be getting with a more expensive set that I don't get with a £20 set.

    The particular clearance job (roots?) does not require a lot of rod bending so the risk of breaking a rod is minimal.

    Thanks and toodle pip
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    If it really is going to be a 1 off job and you don't have a need there after (I use mine more often for chimney cleaning than drain cleaning and I have had them for about 40 years) Then consider hiring.

    BTW mine are all plastic inc. the end threads.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2024 edited
     
    Thanks for replying. I probably should have expanded on the problem.

    A section of the road in front of the garden is a low point and when it rains, gets a lot of water that used to 'flood' the front garden. When we built, I installed a sump and drainage pipe to the rear woodland, all slightly downhill. From the sump, the exit pipe is 70mm flexi and around 6m further on, goes into a 100mm flexi. I don't recall how the two where 'sealed' together, but my guess is that over the past 15 years, the roots have found their way in.

    The screw tool of most rod systems is around 70mm diameter, and that could cause a problem with the 70mm flexi. so I would have to shorten the prongs and I cannot do that with a hired or borrowed tool.

    May decide to go with a 10m drain snake as a fist stop to try and remove the roots. Plan C will be to dig!!!!

    Rod or drain snake (one or the other or even both) will certainly be less expensive than getting someone to do the job.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2024
     
    If it is roots then you will end up digging. I would suggest installing decent access points as it will make clearing it the next time easier and if it is roots there will be a next time.
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    Posted By: RexA section of the road in front of the garden is a low point and when it rains, gets a lot of water that used to 'flood' the front garden. When we built, I installed a sump and drainage pipe to the rear woodland, all slightly downhill. From the sump, the exit pipe is 70mm flexi and around 6m further on, goes into a 100mm flexi. I don't recall how the two where 'sealed' together, but my guess is that over the past 15 years, the roots have found their way in.

    Did you have this problem some time back ?? What was the fix ?
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2024
     
    I would get a contractor in who will have special tools to cut through the roots. Someone local here charges about £150 and you get a DVD of your drains inside. Depending on where you live could be what they can get away with.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2024 edited
     
    Earlier this year, the private road association had a contractor flush out the numerous gullies and I asked if they would do mine. They also hit the outflow with their pressure washer and I noticed virtually immediately, that water was coming backwards into the gully.

    Used my 3m drain snake and did pull out a bunch of roots. Followed by my pressure washing pipe clearance thing (10 m long) that I use to flush the sewerage pipes.

    At the 6m mark, could not push it any further so figure that is where the 70mm joins the 100mm and where the roots have made their home.

    Ordered a 10m drain snake to see what I can do. I do realize that if I clear the pipe sufficiently, that is really only a temporary measure as the roots will return. It is not a total blockage as water does drain away, just not sufficiently fast. It has taken 15 years to get blocked, and if it is necessary to use a drain snake every year, it is not big deal.

    Problem with digging is I do know the distance from the sump (6m) but left/right would be guesswork and SWMBO has things growing 'that should not be disturbed!!!' As for depth, most likely, less than one meter.

    Was wondering if a hearing rod would reveal water drainage noise; or divining rod!

    Regret now but at the time of building, did not take enough photos. Certainly did not think this could be a future problem.
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    Posted By: Rexor divining rod!

    Or a besom and a full moon so that you can get a flypast done


    Posted By: RexRegret now but at the time of building, did not take enough photos.

    I have lots of experience where 20/20 hindsight has shown the error of previous happenings.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2024
     
    Posted By: RexRegret now but at the time of building, did not take enough photos. Certainly did not think this could be a future problem.
    There's a very sensible rule that we followed which is to lay straight pipes between inspection points where the direction can change. I thought it was a requirement, but may be I'm wrong? We've had to re-lay two of the manholes because they weren't fitted firmly enough in place originally, but that's a minor issue.

    A drain camera would show the problem. They seem to be quite cheap to buy or hire.
  4.  
    I once improvised a Heath-Robinsonish detector by strapping an old mains razor to the end of the poles, wrapped in a polythene bag, and fed this with an extension lead down a culvert. I'd discovered that it interfered with an out of tune transistor radio, and testing showed it worked through several feet of stonework.

    I could therefore identify the position above ground of any point along the culvert, so knew where to dig reasonably acuurately. You can probably buy simple (and better) devices quite cheaply.

    Don't try and clear roots with an ordinary set of rods - they are not very strong. The plastic ones are quite fragile, although the old bamboo rods with rivitted on brass ends are much tougher.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2024
     
    Mistakenly bought a 5m drain snake when I thought I was buying a 10m. Returned it, thank you Amazon.

    Bought a 10m drain shake and tried it today. Kinda useless as the friction of the 10m snake within the pipe means that the end does not turn. The tension starts to build and suddenly, twists itself together. Managed to retrieved it with a bit of root but nothing substantial.

    Tried feeding it into the pipe to see when it goes and again, after a while. the friction means that it feels like it is encountering resistance but probably just its own weight inside the pipe.
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